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11Feb/10Off

New Tables

One of our goals here at oversigning.com is to create a collection of recruiting tables such as this one:

SEC Recruiting Numbers 2002 - 2010

Teams Conf. 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 Total Average
Auburn SEC 31 27 29 22 25 30 29 28 32 253 28.11
Miss. State SEC 30 28 23 29 24 33 27 27 26 247 27.44
South Carolina SEC 27 28 29 28 24 31 23 29 23 242 26.89
Arkansas SEC 23 25 32 24 26 27 26 31 25 239 26.56
Ole Miss SEC 18 21 25 28 30 22 31 37 25 237 26.33
Alabama SEC 19 19 29 32 23 25 32 27 29 235 26.11
Kentucky SEC 15 22 28 26 31 29 20 29 26 226 25.11
LSU SEC 26 28 26 13 26 26 26 24 29 224 24.89
Tennessee SEC 25 22 24 26 22 32 18 22 25 216 24.00
Florida SEC 23 26 23 18 27 27 22 17 27 210 23.33
Georgia SEC 31 25 20 17 28 23 24 20 19 207 23.00
Vanderbilt SEC 22 22 20 25 25 14 21 18 24 191 21.22

We would like to have 1 master table that contains data for all schools and 1 table for each conference.  We have started this effort, but still have a long way to go.   Check out what we have thus far here.

These numbers come from Rivals.com's website.

11Feb/100

Recruiting Budgets Have Nothing to do with Money

Before we go any further, we want to make something crystal clear, when we refer to Recruiting Budgets on this site it has absolutely NOTHING to do with money.  Please see our definitions page for a detailed explanation of what we are referring to when we say "recruiting budget."

Seems as though someone has already misunderstood what we are talking about:

"The biggest issue I have with oversigning.com is that they play on the recruiting budget as if the money comes from tax dollars (they don't say it, but they imply the money is misappropriated)."

http://tiderinsider.com/mb/msg/8939432.html

Clearly someone didn't take the time to read the entire site and grasp an understanding of what we are talking about. 

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10Feb/100

The Curious Case of Auburn and Northwestern

In case you missed it, Auburn and Northwestern played each other in the Outback Bowl last season.  And although there were 10 turnovers in the game, it was one of the more exciting and fun to watch games in the bowl season last year.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=300010002

It just so happens that Auburn and Northwestern have something else in common.  They appear to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of recruiting numbers, with Auburn having signed 253 players since 2002 and Northwestern 170.

According to the link in our previous post, Auburn seems to be playing catch-up with their roster depth due to the recruiting practices of Tommy Tuberville.  Although one has to wonder, with an average of 28 recruits a year, how in the world could you ever have a problem with your roster?  For right now, it's irrelevant.  The bottom line is that Northwestern, numbers-wise, was in the same boat as Auburn if you buy into the argument that although Auburn signed a bunch of players they were still short-handed when they played Northwestern because none of them made it into school or were able to stay in school.  

From 2005 - 2009 Auburn signed 134 players; Northwestern signed 94.  That's a difference of 40 players. 

So let's say all 40 of those "extra" players didn't make it into school at Auburn and all the players Northwestern signed stayed in school.  That puts Auburn and Northwestern on level footing in terms of numbers. 

Now let's look at what the two schools/coaches did in the 2010 recruiting class.  Northwestern signed 17 players, Auburn signed 32.

Why is there such a drastic difference between the way these two programs operate?  One reason is that Northwestern operates according to the principles and philosophies of the Big 10 Conference while Auburn does so according to the principles and philosophies of the SEC.  Another theory is that Auburn is trying to keep up with the Alabama's, Florida's, and the LSU's, all of which are loaded with talent and seem to sign a lot more players than the teams Northwestern is trying to keep up with (Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin).

Again, the numbers are very interesting.  Where would Northwestern be if they were able to bring in 32 players this year, back count a hand full to the previous class, and take a full class of 25 guys?  We'll never know because it will never happen.

The most important question in all of this is, where did all those players go who were one time Auburn players/recruits?  What are their stories?  Have they gone on to be successful, productive members of society or are they just drifting around somewhere?

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10Feb/102

Jim Tressel Understands Recruiting Budgets

Somewhere Mark Richt and Randy Edsall (who we fricking love for his stance on recruiting services) are watching this and shaking their heads in agreement that you have to stay within your recruiting budget.  

Nick Saban on the other hand, not so much.

Alabama had roughly the same amount of slots open as Ohio State (with 66 returning players, Alabama has room for 19 new recruits before they hit the 85 limit).   Instead of signing 19 (or less for fear of going over as Tressel expressed), Nick Saban and Alabama elected to sign 29 commitments on national signing day.   As we've already mentioned, they will back count a few to last year's class in order to stay under the 25 limit this year, but they are going to have to shed 10 players in order to get under 85.  66 + 29 = 95.  A few recruits will not qualify academically, others will take a medical hardship, and some will just quit or transfer.

The interesting part is that when asked about his numbers by the local media, Saban immediately gets upset:

"It's none of your business. Aiight? And don't give me this stuff about the fans need to know, because they don't need to know."

Then when asked if he was worried about his numbers and the fact that players would need to be shed in order to get down to 85, Saban had this response:

"I'm not worried about them. It'll all work out. I mean, the whole thing has a solution to every issue. You don't put yourself in a position where you don't know what's coming, then have to take it in the chops."

http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2008/04/playing_the_numbers_game.html

There is something fundamentally wrong with a system that depends on kids to fail or suffer a career-ending injury in order to get the numbers where they need to be.

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10Feb/100

Well That Didn’t Take Long

Auburn is trying to distance themselves from their rivals to the west with regards to this topic.   It appears that it is all Tommy Tuberville's fault that Auburn is near the top of the board with 253 signed LOI's since 2002.

"When the negative media storm that is building over this explodes, Auburn will be assumed to be doing the same things.  While we are used to negative national media for our upstate rivals rubbing off on us, this is one we truly do not deserve."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342237-auburn-football-unexpected-fallout-from-previous-bad-recruiting

We believe there might be some correlation between oversigning and coaching turnover (maybe schools are oversigning because coaches leave them high and dry and the new coach coming in has to oversign to fill holes) - we're going to get into that on this site and see if we can connect the dots.  Thus far, we know this much: the SEC has a very high oversigning rate and a very high coaching turnover rate (head and assistant coaches).  Maybe doing away with oversigning will help curb some of the turnover in coaching positions.  Just a thought.

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10Feb/100

Did the SEC Really Ban Oversigning?

Or, did the SEC just put window dressing on the problem by capping the number of players that can be signed to a single class at 28?

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/1843/over-signing-may-be-a-thing-of-the-past-in-sec

We have already seen that Auburn signed 32 players this year and a total of 3 SEC schools signed more than 28 players (Auburn, Alabama, and LSU).  How can they do that?  If they have room in their previous class (meaning they didn't sign the max of 25) then they can get players to enroll early and count towards the previous year.  Auburn did this with a number of players.  The problem is that eventually you can't keep doing this, and furthermore, if you sign the max of 25 every year you will run into the 85 player limit.  25 * 4 = 100.  One way schools find a way around this is the use of JUCO players that only have two years of eligibility; this dovetails into the practice of signing and placing players.  Schools in the SEC have a history of signing players they know will have to go to JUCO in hopes of getting them back in two years. 

By definition, oversigning is not simply taking more than 25 players (or in the SEC's case 28).  It's the practice of taking more than you have room for under the 85/25 rule.   As we pointed out in Alabama's case in the "Recruiting Budget" section, they signed 10 more players than they have room for, despite somehow staying within the 28 players signed /25 players enrolled limit.  If a school only has room for 18 players (meaning going into recruiting season they have 67 players on scholarship)  and they sign 22, that's oversigning.   67 + 22 = 89.  89 > 85.  The loophole here is that schools have until August to get their roster down to 85.  In the example above, 4 of the 89 players would have to leave the team in order for the school to stay compliant.  In Alabama's case this year and last, the number was more like 8-9 players each year.  This is a bit of a contrast from schools around the country that stay within their budget to keep from going over.  Mark Richt has been an advocate against oversigning and does not use this practice, and when you look at his numbers you can see that the only other school that signs less players is Vanderbilt.

The SEC has simply eliminated what Houston Nutt was doing, which was the practice of "signing and placing" (we'll get into that more later).  Nutt signed 37 players the year before last and placed a good bit of them in junior college, essentially creating a farm league for Ole Miss.

Many people are confused about this, including this blog where they state that:

"Oversigning is simply more kids than the 25 available slots, then finding spots for those overages"

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/college/fau/blog/2009/06/oversigning_how_troy_reloads_a.html

If the SEC really wanted to put some teeth into their regulations on recruiting numbers, they would required that SEC schools report their recruiting budget by a certain date (sometime between the end of the season and signing day) and then require that each school stay within their budget.   That would put an end to the oversigning, completely.  If Alabama had to report that they had 66 players returning on scholarship before signing day, then it would be known publicly that they have room to take 19 players and stay within the 85 player limit.

What about academic casualties and injuries???

If you look at the chart on the recruiting numbers page, you will find that a number of schools are already operating this way.  Granted, none of them have to report their numbers, but a good bit of them know exactly what their numbers are and they stay within those numbers, period.  If they can do it, so can the SEC.

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10Feb/10Off

Greetings

Welcome to oversigning.com!  We are still in the process of putting together our new digs, but we have migrated some of the content that we posted on our initial site.  Important: we are learning as we go here, so please bear with us as we get our bloglegs.  Feel free to browse around and get familiar with the site.  The links above will help give you a little bit of background information while we get the rest of our ducks in a row.  

The Recruiting Budgets link is a good primer for understanding the difference between signing too many players and staying within your limits.

The Definitions link still needs work; if you have keywords that you think we should add, please send them to us.

Ideas and comments go here: "comments @ oversigning dot com"

If you're looking for the recruiting chart that shows all of the numbers from 2002 - 2010, click the Recruiting Numbers link above.