Harvey Perlman Recognizes the Difference in Recruiting Practices
Harvey Perlman, Nebraska's Chancellor, among other things, recently spoke about conference expansion and how he thinks it will affect Nebraksa and College Football as a whole. We won't go into the specifics regarding conference expansion-there is already enough speculation and plenty of other blogs already talking about it night and day-but we want to touch on something Mr. Perlman mentioned regarding the NCAA and recruiting.
“You don't know that for sure," Perlman said. “There could be some advantage to joining the Big Ten depending on what the deal is. There could be some disadvantage, too."
Such as?
“They have a different set of recruiting rules than we have," Perlman said, “which might impact what we're able to do."
Finally, someone other than Jim Delany, who wrote this lovely memo to the rest of college football, openly admits that there is a difference in recruiting practices amongst the conferences, so much so that it could affect whether or not a school such as Nebraska decides to join the Big 10 Conference.
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I love speed and the SEC has great speed, especially on the defensive line, but there are appropriate balances when mixing academics and athletics. Each school, as well as each conference, simply must do what fits their mission regardless of what a recruiting service recommends. I wish we had six teams among the top 10 recruiting classes every year, but winning our way requires some discipline and restraint with the recruitment process. Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards.http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020907aaa.html
This is what we have been talking about the entire time on this blog. First we have the raw numbers that lay bare the truth behind oversigning, now we have someone outside of the Big 10 who has publicly acknowledged that there truly is a difference in recruiting rules for the Big 10 schools, so much so that it would influence Nebraska's decision to join the Big 10 conference if invited to do so.
Our point all along has been that the NCAA's recruiting rules were not intended to be the standard by which everyone in the country operates; the NCAA rules for recruiting are BASELINE rules that were intended to provide some sort of structure for 119 universities across the entire country. It has been our position all along that it is up to Conference Commissioners and University Presidents to further expand those rules to fit their athletic and academic missions. Based on the numbers we have shown and the research we have done, it is very clear that the SEC has done very little to expand upon those rules in ways other conferences have already. It wasn't until last year when, for perception reasons mainly, the SEC went to a 28 max rule, something the Big 10 has been doing for 10-15 years. Ironically, as our data shows, this hasn't reduced the number of signed commitments across the SEC, at least not yet.
Perlman talks about the NCAA's reach when it comes to conference expansion, but he also sheds light on how the NCAA regulates across the board:
This is a common misconception among fans and some media members, Perlman said. The NCAA isn't all-powerful.
“The NCAA certainly has an interest in conference realignment," he said, “but it's not a player.
“Conferences are independent units. The Big Ten doesn't have to come to the NCAA to get permission to do what it wants to do. The NCAA regulates around the margins."
Bottom line: The entire purpose for this blog is increase awareness as to the topic of oversigning and how all conferences operate a little differently when it comes to recruiting. Our data and research shows that the SEC signs more players than anyone else in the country, by a landslide. We also believe that kids are being done a disservice through the practice of oversigning and we believe that it has created a competitive advantage which makes competing for a national championship more about the battle of who wins recruiting than who develops talent or who does a better job coaching.
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May 1st, 2010 - 10:50
Again just another article you like to break apart and support your arguement for why the Big-10 is so much better but yet so under advantage unlike the SEC. Again your article that you are quoting is a good article but what destroys the validity of your site is your opinion when you try and paraphrase to support your arguement.
I also would like to hear who “we” are in your statements other than the who that supports this site. I have yet to see the hoard of people you stress that are concerned with this and yet see very little posting in regards to your site.
I also fail to see where this has anything to do with developing players. For you to be so arrogant to say that Saban can not develop players even more so demonstrates your ability to understand CFB other than your blind eye you trun unless speaking about OSU and how great they are. Just maybe the reason the Big-10 is fallen behind is because the lack of player development and lack of good coaching. There are facts to support that uinlike your opinion to support this site and bogus propaganda that goes with it.
Also you praised at one time how Texas and Coach Mack Brown is so great in how they recruit, so lets just see what some of their fans are concerned with.
“so the Longhorns are at 87 scholarships currently for the fall semester, assuming the 25 2010 commits make it onto campus. Blaine Irby and Steve Moore are the most likely candidates to give up football. The senior class is only 17 right now, meaning that the Longhorns are currently at 88 players on scholarship for 2011. Five more commitments would put that number at 93, meaning suffering the attrition of eight scholarship players, a full 25-man group would be 95 total.
It’s obviously not that unusual for that number of players to leave the program for whatever reason over about 18 months and Mack Brown says that he doesn’t worry about numbers any more, but 10 seems to be stretching the normal amount of attrition and frankly, with the quality of the 2010 class in particular, there are just not that many three-star, projected role players to lose before some of those losses start happening to some high-profile guys. The hope is that the coaches are doing a better job of avoiding players with academic and/or character questions, but that remains to be determined.
Basically, the numbers are tight for the next couple years and keep in mind that 14 players redshirted from the 2009 class, pushing them back a year.”
That from a Longhorn board with many more fans discussing the same issue you seem to think does not happen in Texas or other conference other than the SEC.
In the end the best thing for OSU and the Big-10 is to go DIV 1-AA so you can compete and maybe enjoy some success and will not have to contribute the garbage spewed here. Your bias is undenying and yet you lack a creditable arguement other than OSU is better than all. LOL I have seen more people on dispute and call you out than support. Also talking about recruiting character you might want to look who has been in the headlines more for trouble. I think the Big-10 as of late has taken that honor. But I give credit where credit is due. If you get arrested you still get to keep your scholarship in the Big-10.
May 1st, 2010 - 19:57
Mike,
Did you bother to examine Texas’ numbers yourself or are you just quoting something that was posted on a message board? I’m not being sarcastic, that’s a serious question. I have not fully examined the last 4 years of Texas recruiting, in terms of what their exact numbers are, but I do know that their last four classes looked like this: 24 20 20 22, which is 86, plus any 5th year guys from the class of 25 in 2006, so yes, there is an outside chance that they could be over their limit. However, the only way they are over is if the retained EVERYONE from their last four classes (which would put them at 86) AND they have a number of 5th year guys. But, if they are over they are over. It would be amazing to me if they retained all 86 of their last four recruiting classes.
Regardless, this is a HUGE contrast from the situation at Alabama and other SEC schools. Alabama’s last four classes: 25 32 27 29 = 113, Auburn’s: 30 29 28 32 = 119. That’s a difference of 27 to 32. So if Texas is over by 1 or 2, Alabama and Auburn would be over by 27 or 32 if they retained all of their players as you are suggesting Texas has.
Again, if Texas is over the limit they are over the limit, but what they have in terms of numbers is a far cry from Alabama and other SEC schools.
You noted that we praised Texas for their recruiting practices, and I stand by that assertion. It was based on looking at the average number of players signed each year and the total number of players signed 2002-2010. If things start to change and Texas starts to oversign, we’ll call them out on it.
As to the rest of your post, it’s your typical BS not worthy of a response.
May 1st, 2010 - 10:54
sorry but demonstrates your inability to understand CFB
May 1st, 2010 - 11:04
Another note did you read the article. You automatically implied that the recruiting changes had something to do with oversigning and you implied that Nebraska felt that the Big-10 had greater recruiting standards. The only thing he said and nothing more was this quote.
“They have a different set of recruiting rules than we have,” Perlman said, “which might impact what we’re able to do.”
If were are going to imply as you do maybe we should imply that Nebraska does not feel the Big-10 standards are that good and are afraid they will bring down their program. See anyone can do it. That is what happens when you assume and imply such as you do all the time.
May 1st, 2010 - 20:00
Read the whole article…his comment regarding recruiting rules was in the context of what some of the disadvantages would be to joining the Big 10.
What else on earth could he mean?
May 1st, 2010 - 11:14
In regards to the second article, BTW which is 3 years old, he is talking about recruiting and not oversigning. He is actually defending the way the Big-10 has been recruiting because people throughot the mid-west began to criticize the Big-10 because even in 2007 people from the mid-west see the Big-10 falling behind in maintaining national prominance. He tries to use trends from 5-10 years up to 2007. Remember we are in 2010 now. The best part of that article was this.
“Let’s see if the five- and 10-year trend lines hold or whether the recruiting services and talking heads are seeing a new day. We are quite proud of our history and tradition and remain optimistic about the future of Big Ten football.” -Jim Delany
The talking heads have been proven correctly and now a trend line from 2010 not 2007 would support that he was wrong and the Big-10 is falling way behind, hence why they are looking to expand. They need to get back into the national picture.
You actually make it pretty easy to point out your errors. I just hope that others that may visit this site and I do notice that those numbers seem to be declining, actually read the articles that you misrepresent.
May 1st, 2010 - 20:07
The number of daily views on this site is not declining (how in the world would you know?), in fact it has risen a little here lately. Not that it matters, we don’t advertise or make any money off of this site, and we’re not here trying to become famous.
I don’t get the feeling that conference expansion is something that is a knee-jerk reaction to recent trends in recruiting services. When the Big 10 added Penn State the feeling was that eventually one day the conference would further expand. This was before the creation of the Big 10 network which has drastically changed everything.
May 3rd, 2010 - 06:42
Joshua…I think what Saban does is a joke too, but it’s not as much an “oversigning” problem as it is a “kids not graduating from the program” problem, imo. A lot of these kids are just brought in to try out for Bama and if they aren’t good enough, they transfer.
A lot of the oversigning is kids that get signed and do not qualify. A lot of times these kids get counted twice to your total, but it’s only one kid.
It’s when the kid actually get into school and then gets the boot once the coaches realize he isn’t going to develop that I have a bigger problem with. I think Saban just kind of looks at scholarships like a series of four to five year “one year contracts” for a kid. I wonder if the APR will ever catch up with him. I don’t think it has much teeth to it.
May 5th, 2010 - 12:31
I’m not sure what Perlman was referring to, but Tom Osborne was not happy about Nebraska joining the Big XII because the Big XII was going to place a limit on teams taking partial qualifiers and Nebraska did not live under such restrictions in the Big Eight. The last time NU joined a conference, they were chaffing at increased academic restrictions.