Alabama well on their way to being Oversigned for 2011
Posting has been slow lately, but that doesn't mean there isn't news floating around about signing classes and oversigning. A few days ago we posted a piece on LSU getting a head start on oversigning the 2011 recruiting class. As it turns out, Alabama is in the exact same boat as their senior class currently sits at 9 players. Obviously, there will be a number of talented juniors leave early for the NFL, but 9 + 4 is only 13, and 13 is a long ways away from Saban's average class of 27+ players per year, even if you throw in Saban's mandatory attrition which sits at roughly 9 players per year Alabama will be hard pressed to bring in a full class of 28 (25 for the current and 3 for the previous year or next year) players next year, which appears to the holy grail to SEC recruiting.
Just like LSU's situation where they have 9 seniors and already have 11 verbal commitments, Alabama also has 9 seniors but they already have 14 verbal commitments and there is no sign of Saban shutting down recruiting for the year.
Maybe a word of caution is in order for those considering LSU and Alabama (and other schools that have made a habit of signing more players than they have room for when they sign them) - if you are one of the players that signs a LOI to a scholarship that doesn't exist yet, you will be, in essence, forcing someone out of their scholarship and that might be something to think about down the road when you are in their shoes and the next class of 5 star studs show up and there isn't enough room for all of them. We know none of you think you will ever get cut and that all of you think you are going to the NFL to make millions, but the harsh reality is that only a select few of you will, and the rest of you will be "going pro in something else." Just food for thought.
Here's a little something to chew on; LSU's and Alabama's senior classes of 9 started at 26 and 23 respectively. That's a total of 31 players over 4 years, and that is just from ONE FREAKING RECRUITING CLASS.
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June 26th, 2010 - 08:09
I think your last sentence is a bit misleading because you linked the 2006 recruiting class and if players don’t redshirt they would have used their eligibility at the end of the 2009 season. You got me motivated to look deeper into the Alabama recruiting classes so I looked at their classes on Rivals and then the 2009 and 2010 rosters. This is what I found:
2006 Recruiting Class
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3 Turned Pro Early
7 Redshirt Senior in 2010
2 Seniors that graduated in 2009
1 Cut Senior Year after Redshirting (Terry Grant)
7 Not on 2009-10 roster (and not in another category)
3 Never made it to campus
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23 Total
2007 Recruiting Class
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2 Turned Pro Early
2 Seniors
11 Redshirt Juniors
7 Not on the 2010 roster (and not in another category)
3 Never made it to campus
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25
I don’t know the national average on these types of things but these two classes so far have had an attrition rate of 43.75% (21 / 48). That seems high to me.
June 26th, 2010 - 08:38
Time to petition the NCAA. See my link under Josh’s other more recent story that explains how to do that.
June 26th, 2010 - 09:44
Now compare that with Notre Dame’s senior class.
It started with 18 signed recruits and now sits at 15 players on the roster; the three that are no longer on the roster are: Golden Tate & Jimmy Clausen as early entries to the NFL and Aaron Nagel transferring.
http://www.uhnd.com/blog/notre-dame-football/aaron-nagel-transferring-yeatman/
If Notre Dame can operate that way, why can’t everyone else? Shouldn’t we hold all of these million dollar coaches and schools to the highest possible standard instead of allowing them to wallow in the filth that is oversigning and running meat markets with 18-21 year old kids?
Notre Dame signed 18 guys and held on to all but one of them – Alabama signed 25, 3 never made it to campus and 7 are not on the roster.
June 29th, 2010 - 19:02
If they never make it to campus, they don’t count toward the class. Of the 14 who left/transferred, several of them went on medical hardship scholarships, and didn’t have to pay for their education after their injuries, several of them transferred, and a few cut themselves with criminal activity or grade problems. It happens. The folks who run Notre Dame choose to be more selective, good for them, it’s a private school’s prerogative.
As for our signing practices:
1) They are within the guidelines set forth by the NCAA.
2) They creates the competition that breeds championship teams.
3) It’s our school’s prerogative to sign the players that aren’t afraid of competition.
4) If ND doesn’t like it, they can lump it.
June 29th, 2010 - 19:26
If we’re going to get hardline about retaining players, even if they turn out to not be good enough to play, then the next logical move is to make a rule that coaches can never be fired for losing.
Who’s up for that?
Other improvements we can make are eliminating athletic scholarships and banning those football stadiums.
June 29th, 2010 - 19:41
Please, stop pretending like you care. This is just a thinly-veiled attempt at flaming Alabama, not some concerted effort in genuine altruism.
I’m certain that you couldn’t care much less.
June 30th, 2010 - 07:01
The SEC has been oversigning class for years, Urban Meyer does the same thing Saban does, get as many 5-star recruits on campus as possible, then weed out the weak links, most times it is a kid already on the rooster that isn’t producing, Football scholarships are year-to-year, so coaches can sight a player not living up to his end of the bargin and cuts him. So much for integrity huh…
August 5th, 2010 - 13:40
Integrity on who’s part? If the athlete is not “living up to his part of the bargain” then why should the be on the roster?
In my place of employment, if I don’t “live up to my job performance”, then I won’t have a job.
August 5th, 2010 - 13:38
What is Saban, Miles, and any other coach doing that is against the rules?
August 5th, 2010 - 18:32
lOOKS LIKE THE AUTHOR IS A LITTLE BITTER?