A Dream Comes to an End

It has been confirmed that at least one of the two players suspected of being cut to make room for Seantrel Henderson and Latwan Anderson is now officially gone from his dream school.  As mentioned below, Miami is deep at Wesley 's position and he was suspected of coming in "not as well conditioned physically" by those close to the program.  Translation: we don't care about you because there is someone new we like better at a position of greater need and in order to have that person we have to get rid of someone.  Otherwise, if we really cared about you we would do whatever it takes to get you in the right condition and continue to develop you and we wouldn't take more players than we have room for which is ultimately what is forcing our hand to get rid of someone.  We know we promised you and your parents that we would take care of you for the next 4-5 years and make a man out of you, but with all this pressure to win and all this money they pay us to win we just can't afford to risk missing out on a guy like Seantrel Henderson or Latwan Anderson. 

University of Miami senior defensive end Steven Wesley has been dismissed from the Hurricanes football team, a source close to the situation said Saturday.

The source would neither confirm nor deny whether Wesley's dismissal was related to academics. Another source said Wesley was not as well conditioned physically as expected by the program, but did not cite that as the reason for his dismissal.

The Hurricanes, which finished 9-4 last year and begin fall camp Thursday, are deep on the defensive line, including at end. Senior end Allen Bailey and junior Adewale Ojomo go into camp as the projected starters. Wesley, 6-2 and 250 pounds, graduated from Bartow High School. He would have been going into his fifth season. He was expected to be part of the rotation.

He redshirted as a freshman in 2006, but played in 33 games over the past three seasons, starting 17 of them.

Last season, Wesley had 17 total tackles and three sacks in 11 games. He started six. His final numbers as a Hurricane: 44 tackles, 10 tackles-for-loss, 11 quarterback hurries, three sacks and one pass breakup.

At Bartow High, Wesley was rated by rivals.com as the No. 15 defensive end nationally.He chose UM over Ohio State, Mississippi and Alabama.

In the 2010 UM media guide, Wesley said said he chose Miami because he ``wanted to be part of such great tradition and it's been a dream come true.''


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Guess it really is ALL ABOUT DA U

We mentioned a while back that it seemed really odd that Miami signed 5 star football recruit, Latwan Anderson to a track scholarship without the football coaching staff ever "officially" speaking with him.  Everyone knows that the minute Anderson does anything football related he becomes a counter towards the 85 limit, so conventional wisdom says the track scholarship was just to get him on campus while the coaching staff figures out who to cut in order to make room for him.  Miami, as we discovered earlier, is at full capacity with regards to scholarships.

Since then the #1 recruit, Seantrel Henderson has decided to leave USC and showed interest in Miami.  He has since signed a letter of intent with Miami and he too is pretty much waiting for a scholarship spot to open up.

It appears that the oversigning gods are smiling down on the Da U because magically two players have appeared on the radar as possible candidates for not coming back, despite having eligibility left and expecting to return next year.


The NCAA needs to create a lot more transparency with regards to the signing process.  Miami should have to prove that they have a scholarship available before they accept the commitment of a new recruit - if that were the case Henderson and Anderson would be looking to other teams who have legit room for them.

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Pimps, Agents, and Hypocrisy

Just about every sports blog on the Internet has been covering the three-ringed circus that is SEC media days.  But before we comment on the issue with the agents and the hypocrisy of someone like Nick Saban calling someone else a pimp, we want to point out something that appears to have flown under the radar everywhere except over at Tony Gerdeman's weekly installment of The Week that Was.

It appears that Nick Saban might have had a slip of the tongue with regards to the Andre Smith agent situation from a couple of years ago while at SEC media days.

As you would expect, this has been the main topic of discussion from the SEC media days, and it's left us with some pretty interesting quotes.

Nick Saban talked quite a bit about the agents and his program, and before he got to his now famous pimp analogy, he said this about former offensive tackle Andre Smith:

“We had an issue a couple years ago with Smitty who got suspended for the Sugar Bowl. You know, we probably could have prosecuted the guy. But in prosecuting the guy that did wrong, we would have put our institution in jeopardy - possibly - from an NCAA standpoint. We didn't do it. But then the same guy is standing in line trying to give our players money this past year and nothing gets done about it. It's not a good situation.”

I'm a bit confused here. Back in late 2008, after suspending Smith for the Tide's bowl game, Saban labeled the situation as an “institutional matter” and “not an NCAA matter”. Now he's saying that had they chosen to prosecute the agent involved, things could have been exposed that could have put Alabama—a school that is currently on probation for another two years—“in jeopardy”? But I thought it wasn't “an NCAA matter”? Does this mean the university covered things up, or just decided not to report them? Either way, it seems a bit hinky.


Like Tony, we are confused as well.  Why would there be any reason to be concerned about putting Alabama in jeopardy?  Jeopardy of what?  The NCAA finding something else going on?  Sure wish he would expound upon that one.  Furthermore, Tony is exactly right, was the Andre Smith issue an institutional matter or an NCAA matter, and why is Saban not being consistent in his labeling of the situation? 

Not trying to read between the lines, but it sure sounds like Alabama elected not to prosecute the agent involved with Smith out of fear for what might happen to Alabama had there been a full-blown investigation.  It also sounds like they decided to allow the same agent back on campus, knowing full well what he did and how wrong they believed it was at the time (and that is not speculation on our part).  Now the guy is back on campus and still trying to offer money and Alabama does nothing?  Sorry, but that doesn't pass the sniff test.  Why not throw him and the rest of them out?  Why not do the right thing ETHICALLY and shut these guys out?   Oh that's right, there is not an NCAA rule prohibiting this activity so no law is being broken, never mind, move along.

Regardless, the situation with Andre Smith is really not related to oversigning, we just thought it was very interesting how that part of Saban's SEC media days speech flew completely under the radar.

Now on to the portion of Saban's speech that does pertain to oversigning.  First off, we had to chuckle listening to Saban criticize sports agents for acting like pimps.  Coming from a man that earns $4MM a year to lure high school boys to come play at his school and then shops them to every NFL agent in the country by running the most agent friendly campus in the country, even the agents that have screwed his own players and his school in the past are still welcome back, we can only laugh at the irony of Saban claiming someone else is being a pimp.  Please. 

Here again from Tony Gerdeman's article, we found this to be the best way to interpret exactly what Saban was saying at media days.

Okay, now we're going to get to the “pimp part”, but when you read what Saban says, I want you to imagine he's talking about oversigning and when he says “agents”, replace that with “coaches”.

“It's something that is affecting college football in a negative way. It's affecting college football fans. It's affecting a lot of people.”

“I mean, the consequences are negative for them [the players] and their future. They'll probably not get drafted as high as they could have got drafted if they played and participated.”

“I don't think it's anything but greed that is creating it right now on behalf of the agents. Agents that do this, I hate to say this, but how are they any better than a pimp? I have no respect for people who do that to young people, none. I mean, none. How would you feel if they did it to your child?”

Pretty interesting, eh?

I absolutely love the irony of Nick Saban calling agents pimps for the way they treat the players. This is the same guy who is famous for oversigning recruits every single year because he knows that by the time the next fall camp starts, he'll have kicked his lowest earners to the curb to make room for better looking prospects.

Hearing Saban complain about the runners for these agents who try to entice these players reminds me of coaches who hire high school coaches of prospective recruits to help out at their camps. You know, kind of like Nick Saban does. For instance, why on earth would Saban need a high school coach from Springfield, Ohio to help out at his camp. Is there some specific technique that only he knows how to coach? Wouldn't it be cheaper just to have somebody local do it? Don't they have enough coaches in the south to help out? And was it just a coincidence that Saban is targeting a highly-recruited linebacker from that same Springfield school?

I'm not saying these high school coaches are runners (not all of them, at least), but I highly doubt they go back with negative things to say when prompted by their players.

Basically, Saban calling agents pimps is more ironic than Houston Nutt making fun of somebody else's accent.


Does Nick Saban really have any business commenting on agents and referring to them as pimps?  Maybe it was the old saying that sometimes it is easier to see the things we don't like about ourselves in others and it's even easier to call them out about it than it is to look ourselves in the mirror and admit that we don't like what we see.

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Chris Garrett Follow Up

If this isn't being cut from a team because said team was going to be over the scholarship limit, then there is no such thing as schools cutting players because of having too many scholarship commitments going into the fall.

Bottom line here, LSU accepted more signed LOI then they had room for when you take into account NORMAL attrition (graduating seniors and juniors going pro early) and the harsh reality of the situation at LSU was that no matter what they were not going to be in a position to honor all of their signed LOI unless guys like Chris Garrett are shoved out of the program.

The worst part of this story is that Chris Garrett was originally committed to Mississippi State but LSU was able to get him to decommit from MSU and come to LSU.  When it turned out that he wasn't good enough they cut him loose to make room for someone new.  

“[The LSU coaches] felt he didn’t make enough progress from the time he was there,” said Rene Nadeau, college football analyst for ESPN and TigerVision. “He didn’t show enough growth.”

Dixon said Garrett was told he couldn’t transfer to any Southeastern Conference school except Mississippi State.


“Zach Lee is definitely staying,” Dixon said. “They wouldn’t cut a guy if they thought [Lee] was going pro.”


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On the Horizon

Just wanted to let you guys know that we have been contacted by NCSA and they have expressed an interest in providing some content from their recruiting experts on the topic of oversigning. 

We are working on the details, but they have indicated that they would be willing to provide video footage of their experts talking specifically about oversigning and what they see from their end.  Based on what Brian Davidson wrote in his blog on NCSA's site regarding oversigning, the video footage, or whatever additional content we get from them, should be very interesting and relavent.

"I also would like to point out that there are several steps an athlete can take to make sure they aren’t among the casualties.    The NCSA curriculum teaches student-athletes how to walk the fine line between getting the last scholarship offer that is truly available and receiving a scholarship that is contingent upon the school not snagging the commitment of one more blue-chipper.  In essence the ability to make sure that your spot on the roster is secure.  Its just one more advantage of real recruiting education."


Stay tuned!!

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Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet

We don't have a lot of time right at the moment, but I wanted to point out that there is a new governance committee at the NCAA headquarters called the Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet.  Here is a link to the NCAA site where you can find some really good information about the new cabinet, its members, and minutes from their previous meeting. 


The new cabinet has a proposal on the table to prohibit offering scholarships before July 1st in between a players Junior and Senior high school years.  We'll comment more on this specific proposal when we get more time, but until then you can read more about the proposal and reaction from the coaches here:


We have a message for Petrina Long, chair of the cabinet that created this new proposal, regarding her comments below in bold:

Which leads to the second problem. "If someone asks me if I'm going to offer a kid, how do I answer that question?" Donovan said. "What's the right thing to say?"

Technically, the right answer would be "no," since offering a scholarship would be against NCAA rules.

Like some of his colleagues, West Virginia coach Bob Huggins is not a fan of the new NCAA proposal regarding early scholarship offers.

But like much of the NCAA rulebook, this proposal seems ripe for a loophole-exposing game of semantics.

"We understand that there are some ways around this," Long said. "But we hope that coaches will be on board with the spirit and ethics of this. We're all adults here, and it's time we start honoring the spirit of these ideas."

Which is great in theory, but in practice, there's a reason the NCAA manual is thicker than the Chinese phone book.

"If there's a kid in this state who from his freshman year said he wants to be here, that [as] he's grown up he's always wanted to be part of this program, what am I supposed to say?" Huggins said. "Am I supposed to tell him, 'Talk to me in two or three years'? That's not going to happen."

No, what will happen is a coach will tell a recruit that, per NCAA rule, he can't officially offer a scholarship until July 1 before the recruit's senior year but -- wink, wink -- you have a scholarship waiting for you.

If you think that coaches aren't going to find a loophole and exploit it then you are not the person we need leading this cabinet.   Open your eyes.  We implore you not to write proposals that you "hope" everyone as adults will start honoring, but to write proposals and by-laws that spell out the spirit and the ethics and provide for enforcing them and punishing those who do not act in accordance with the spirit and the ethics.   Simply hoping that coaches are going to do the right thing is ridiculous and the kids these coaches are hurting deserve better - these kids are in your care.  Do the right by them because they don't have anyone else to look out for them.

Again, as we have stated many, many time here, oversigning is not a violation of the NCAA rules, it is an ethical issue and those that exploit the loophole are not conducting themselves within the spirit and ethics of the recruiting by-laws.  This is a perfect example as to why you cannot write by-laws and proposals with the assumption that everyone is going to act accordingly, because they are not.  And with regards to oversigning, we're not talking about one or two coaches exploiting the spirit and ethics of the by-laws for signing players, we are talking about the entire history of an entire conference, minus Vanderbilt and Georgia.  Oversigning has been a systemic problem in the SEC since the creation of the conference, just ask Georgia Tech fans about oversigning.

Need further proof that coaches, heck even conference commissioners, look for ways to exploit loopholes in the NCAA rulebook?  Then look no further than how the SEC Championship Game was created.

Schiller remembers sitting around one day with one of his assistants, Mark Womack, now the league's executive associate commissioner. He was looking at the NCAA rule book and the idea was born.

"You know, Mark," Schiller said, "we can have a football championship.'" "What you mean?" Womack responded. "I'm looking at a rule book and it says if you have more than 10 institutions, you can effectively have a championship in any sport," Schiller said.

Somehow, Walter Byers, the dogmatic head of the NCAA, caught wind and immediately called Schiller in Birmingham.

"He said, 'what the heck are you doing?'" Schiller said, remembering the fiery conversation. "That (rule) was not meant for you," Byers told Schiller. "It was meant for hockey, volleyball and soccer (and smaller leagues) where they have 12 or 14 or 16 schools."

"But that's not what the rule books says," fired back Schiller, a former combat pilot in Vietnam who later attained the rank in the Air Force of Brigadier General. Schiller once headed the chemistry department at the Air Force Academy and holds a doctorate in the subject.

Schiller said the conversation deteriorated from there, with Byers "calling me an SOB."

"You're not going to do it," Byers demanded.

Oh yes we are, Schiller responded.

In 1992, the SEC made history by holding its inaugural championship game.


The one good thing that did come out of this proposal, something oversigning.com reader Mario will appreciate, is that recruits will be required to send in 5 semesters or 7 quarters worth of grade transcripts before receiving a scholarship offer.  This is a step in the right direction.  Here is more on that part of the proposal:


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DSB – DeepSouthBoy

Every website or forum has to have a troll; it's just a fundemental rule of the internet.  Of course we have one and he goes by the moniker of DeepSthBoy or to us "DSB."  Those of you who follow this site are well aware of DSB, the poster child advocate for allowing oversigning.  But who knew he was a regular on the Ohio State scout forum racking up 428 posts over there.

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LSU Starting Early on Next Year’s Attrition

We pointed out in an earlier post that LSU is already on their way to being oversigned in 2011 by having only 9 scholarship seniors on the team and 11 verbal commitments for 2011 already.  Being that they no longer need to cut players in order to make room this year, anyone they cut from here on out will make room for what is considered to be a great year for talent in the state of Louisania.  LSU averages 24 players per year and with only 9 seniors in the up coming class they have a long way to go in order to get to 24. 

Today news came out that offensive lineman Stavion Lowe is leaving the program having never played a snap at LSU.

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The March to 85 is Over for LSU

We have come to the end of the road for LSU's March to 85.

Reader "Homework" who has been all over the LSU numbers for us sent this in this morning.  If anyone else has more information on the details of Garrett's release from his scholarship, please post them in the comments section.  It appears on the surface, just based on the rivals piece below, that Garrett was simply mailed a notice that his scholarship would not be renewed, which prompted him to ask for a release.  Not sure if that makes sense though; why would you need to ask for a release if you have not been renewed?  

Regardless, it sure was a nice gesture on Les Miles' part to allow him to go to Mississippi State if he wants.   It is total BS how these coaches/schools can controls kids, especially the ones that are being forced out.  We're basically seeing the professionalization of college football minus the players being able to exercise their full rights as a free agent once they get cut. 

We need to gather a little more information on Garrett's situation before we blast Les Miles, but at the moment the whole thing doesn't exactly look good.  We'll try to gather a little more on this story over the weekend and post an update.  Until then you have to ask yourself the question, had LSU been restricted from oversigning their roster would Chris Garrett be leaving the program?  Also, if you subscribe to the notion that Miles knew that he was going to cut Garrett back when he was oversigning his class and basically signing a new recruit to Garrett's scholarship, then why did he wait so long to send him the notice that he would not be renewed?  Honestly, it looks like Miles just goes out and gets as many players as he can get away with and then just figures out how to get the roster down to 85.

LSU coach Les Miles confirmed Thursday night that redshirt freshman quarterback Chris Garrett is leaving the football program.

Garrett had a meeting with Miles on Wednesday and asked for his release. Miles granted Garrett his release. Garrett cannot transfer to any Southeastern Conference school other than Mississippi State.

The family received certified mail last week which indicated that Garrett's scholarship would not be renewed. The head coach has the intent to have a discussion with the player and explain to him what needs to be done for him to remain in the program on scholarship.


The March to 85 - LSU

Player Position Reason for Leaving
Akiem Hicks Defensive Tackle Removed from the team - was involved in NCAA investigation
Kyle Prater Linebacker Transfer
Jhyryn Taylor Wide Receiver Transfer
Thomas Parsons Fullback Medical Hardship Scholarship
John Williams Wide Receiver Medical Hardship Scholarship
Clay Spencer Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship Scholarship
Chris Garrett QB Cut - Scholarship Not Renewed
Houston Bates Defensive End Released from LOI in April; refused Greyshirt
Elliott Porter Offensive Lineman Asked to Greyshirt in AUGUST; refused Greyshirt; released

Had LSU been restricted to signing to their limit of 85 and still suffered the same attrition as above, they would be going into the season with 78 players on scholarship.  Instead they will lose these 7 guys and still come in at 85.  What a luxury for the coaching staff at LSU to be able to oversign with reckless abandon.

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EDSBS with Sound Advice for Alabama Scholarship Athletes

Go here and read this for yourself.  Solid.  Be sure to partake in the comment section as well. 

Maybe this is the answer.

Side note: this is the least amount of effort ever put into a post on this site - ever.  Goodnight.

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Seantrel Henderson Released from LOI, Headed to Miami?

If you don't already know about Seantrel Henderson, go here.  If you know the back story, then you know that he was the #1 overall recruit in last year's class and he decided to sign with USC, despite all of the writing on the wall and every opportunity to go to virtually any school in the entire country.  Let that set in for a second, here is a kid who could pick any college in the ENTIRE country and he just happened to pick one that went on probation just shortly after he signed with them.  That sucks. 

But there is a silver lining for Seantrel.  He has been granted a release from his LOI at USC and is now free to reopen his recruitment and sign with someone else.

It is rumored that Seantrel is considering Miami as his destination.  When we heard this we were a little shocked because A.) Miami doesn't have any room under the 85 scholarship limit, and B.) the last guy they signed, Latwan Anderson, never even spoke to the football staff because he was being recruited and signed to a track scholarship.

If Seantrel is headed to Miami, where are they going to put him?  I guess he could throw a shot put for a little while until a football scholarship opens up.

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