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   AK
   August 7th, 2010 - 05:47

   The guy wanting to get rid of oversigning still doesn’t understand the numbers. He says:

   “This past year LSU signed 27 players on signing day, knowing only 25 scholarship spots were available on the roster.”

   As we all know 25 is the max for a class per ncaa rules, but LSU had room for significantly fewer spots available to stay under the 85 limit. Plus he doesn’t mention the “march to 85″ prior to the Porter deal that is getting the press. IMHO he missed some key points to further make his case.

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     Joshua
     August 7th, 2010 - 08:28

     I agree there are some holes on both sides. Kind of goes to show how hard it is for some people to understand this – hard to imagine kids and parents fully understanding how it all works.

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   Loyal Homer
   August 7th, 2010 - 12:28

   First off, thanks to everyone for reading our articles. We’re all fans! I myself live right in the heart of SEC country, and knew this was somewhat of a problem, but didnt know to what extent until we had the debate on our site and then researched on this website. I actually spend a good 30 minutes even after researching just reading old articles.

   I imagine it’d be very hard to kids and parents to under the system. Like with Porter….I’m sure he was blindsided. One minute, he’s a freshman for a top 10 program, the next minute, he’s essentially headed back home due to “numbers” catching up with him.

   I don’t know what the answer is guys. I understand its a business and these coaches have to look out for their own interests but these kids are being exploited IMHO to some degree.

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     Joshua
     August 7th, 2010 - 12:55

     Thanks for the note LH. One of the major issues I have is the mentality that college football is a business and that oversigning is just part of doing business. This is really the bigger overall issue; oversigning is really just a by-product of this mentality. College football athletic departments enjoy tax exempt status by virtue of being attached to public universities that are funded by federal, state, and local taxes. The athletic departments themselves don’t use any of the tax money to operate — everyone is always very quick to point that out, but at the same time it is my understanding that they don’t pay taxes on their revenue. Furthermore, if college football is a business and oversigning is just a part of that business, then something has to be done to give players more rights; something along the lines of a players union like the professional sports have.

     The problem with all of this is that these are STUDENT-ATHLETES not full-time employees. The system is seriously broken; kids are being exploited and taken advantage of and coaches and their agents are taking everyone to the cleaners, as is the NCAA with the revenue they generate for attempting to regulate everything (which is an absolute joke by the way).

     When I look at the bigger picture and see the real problems it almost makes me wonder if trying to battle oversigning is worth it — it’s just one of many serious problems with college athletics. Plugging the oversigning loophole will not fix college football, but it’s a step in the right direction.

     Thanks again for debating the topic and visiting the site.

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       BucksDominate
       August 7th, 2010 - 16:32

       Joshua,

       The thing is, the NCAA is suppose to be there to protect the well being of the student athlete. That is one of their mission statements or should be. I know they are always hell bent on saying that, thus all the crap rules or alot of them because of that. Which is great, no one here is saying that the well being of the student athlete is important. However, they do stupid things, like in the last couple years, worrying about cutting down game times. WHY? Well, I am not going to say it is because of well being of the students, I bet , you the TV markets had alot to do with that, and the NCAA used the guise of protecting the student alhlete which is bogus, however, that is what they said. Ok, now we see a major major issue with oversigning and how kids lives are getting completely destroyed and the NCAA all of a sudden has their heads in the sand? WHAT? How can the NCAA which is hell bent on protecting the student athlete along with making sure all teams are playing fair, completely is oblivouis to something that is causing a 2 for one? The student well being is not being protected as the case of Porter, and then schools are using it as an advnatage, that is within the rules which is BS, it is still cheating, completely unethical cause no all coaches are going to do that, so the unethical coaches have an advanatage. Anyway, how can the NCAA allow 2 things that they claim to be the guardian of and look the other way and do nothing. The NCAA is a complete joke, for not even saying they are looking into this and saying Houston we have a problem. This is completely ridicilous and honestly, I wish a lawyer would sue LSU and the NCAA, Porter should have a lawyer actually a lawyer should be calling him yesterday. It is complete BS what oversigning is doing to these student athletes, the SEC is making a mockery of the NCAA and the word student athlete.

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     DP
     August 7th, 2010 - 13:53

     Don’t believe everything you read on this site. Oversigning is a legitimate issue but Joshua is such a zealot about it and has such animosity toward the SEC that he regularly lies and embellishes in an attempt to strengthen his argument.

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       BucksDominate
       August 7th, 2010 - 16:23

       Dude, give it up, Joshua is fighting the good fight against your rogue unethical coaches in the SEC that have to cheat and do everything they can that is unethical as they can because they feel they can’t compete against the real coaches who do things ethically and coach with ethics, like Jim Tressel and Mack Browns. It is sad too, because coaches like JT and Mack, should be using this as negative recruiting but guess who has the market cornered too, you guessed it, THE SEC coaches. What Les did, was completely disgrace to call coaches. Coaches are there to be teachers and to mold young boys into men, but run some NFL factory. If the SEC coaches want to run a team like the NFL where there is no ethics or very little I should say, they need to pack their bags and go to the NFL. I , hope the parents down south will start catching on to how their children are being used and are not being treated as student athletes which they are. Oh, again, I forgot, SEC doesn’t look at them as students, they look at them as NFL factory players. The only person I respect some is Mark Richt. At least, he acts like he cares about the players on his team. As far as the other coaches in the SEC, they can pretty much take them out and get rid of them, they are a disgrace this country allowing people like that to train our kids on how not to be.

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         RT1941
         August 9th, 2010 - 16:14

         Buck – You ever wonder why all the parents let their kids play for a bunch of rogue coaches like the SEC has? Saban, Miles, Myers, have all been around the SEC for a while now. And, year after year they bring in the top classes in the nation and they WIN. So why do the parents of these HS players not see what horrible, unethical scalliwags these coaches are?

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           3401
           May 25th, 2011 - 21:43

           Because they are not…. They are good coaches who work for great programs…. They have ever thing a football players wishes to have to get better… These kids are not dumb.. From all the talk about oversigning you would think no team in the sec could sign a good player much less a great one… Guess what the sec signs the best of the best because of the product they offer, which is get coached and play in the best conf in college football…. What more does a kid and a parent want..
           After three years and they are not playing, I am sure they will be looking around for playing time, would not the rest of us…. Would you guys just set the bench, I dont think so. JMO

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