Paul Finebaum Interviews WSJ’s Darren Everson
Those of you who are really passionate about the topic of oversigning and interested in hearing more about the Wall Street Journal article Alabama's Unhappy Castoffs should find Paul Finebaum's (a sports talk show host on Sirius Satellite Radio) interview with the author of the article, Darren Everson, interesting.
The Darren Everson interview comes around the 20 minute mark in the link below.
http://www.finebaum.com/media/archives/show/20100924_PFRN_Hour4.mp3
One thing that we found interesting was that it was Phil Steele's list of "players lost for the year" that triggered Everson to do a little more investigative work on the specific topic of medical hardships. Everson states in the interview that Alabama's numbers, and a couple of other teams, really stood out; Alabama having 3 medical hardships in one year and roughly 12 since Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa stood out to him and prompted him to take a closer look.
Obviously, Everson was well aware of the numbers crunch for Alabama over the last couple of recruiting seasons, and he mentions that he was interested to see if there was a connection between the medical hardships and the roster crunch.
Everson made a couple of phone calls to players and as it turns out some of the guys he interviewed, not all of them willing to go on record out of fear of possible backlash from what they have to say, said that they feel as though they were pushed in the direction of taking a medical hardship to free up a scholarship for a new recruit, AND that they thought that not only did it happen to them, but that they thought it was something the coaching staff did to other players as well. It's important to note that a few players did go public with their comments, but it would really be interesting to hear what those who wouldn't go public had to say - sure wish the NCAA could interview those players and find out their side of the story.
Part of the problem here is that the by-laws and the process for handling medical hardships are somewhat of a grey area, even the NCAA by-laws are a little vague.
15.5.1.3 Counter Who Becomes Injured or Ill. A counter who becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not be considered a counter beginning with the academic year following the incapacitating injury or illness.
15.5.1.3.1 Incapacitating Injury or Illness. If an incapacitating injury or illness occurs prior to a prospective student-athlete’s or a student-athlete’s participation in athletically related activities and
results in the student-athlete’s inability to compete ever again, the student-athlete shall not be counted within the institution’s maximum financial aid award limitations for the current, as well as later academic
years.
One key word for us is the word PARTICIPATE. What do you define as participation? To us it could be defined as doing everything with the team except contact drills, scrimmages, or playing, which would leave individual drill work, film study, team meetings, etc. There are ways to participate in intercollegiate athletics without actually playing on the field on game days...walk-ons and scout team guys do it every week.
This is yet another example of the NCAA writing vague by-laws that speak to the spirit of the rules instead of the factual details that need to be monitored and regulated. No different than the by-laws for signing players. The NCAA is trying to give schools and players enough room to protect the student-athlete, but they leave enough room for crass coaches interested in winning above all else to exploit the loopholes and gain a competitive advantage, use youngsters like pieces of meat, and lower the overall ethical standards of the game.
Solutions:
There are a couple of solutions to this problem (abusing medical hardships and pushing kids to accept them in order to get an oversigned roster down to 85, which is clearly what Alabama, LSU, and UNC have done over the last 4 years).
1. The NCAA should hire a third-party medical team to provide a final exit examination so that some of these mysterious medical conditions can be investigated.
2. The NCAA should create an exit interview for players who transfer or who are asked to take a medical hardship scholarship. An exit interview, where players can speak freely about what they were told or asked of by the coaching staff would have revealed that there are players at Alabama that have been pushed into taking a medical hardship in order to free up room and avoid NCAA penalties for going over the 85 scholarship limit.
3. Make the medical hardship scholarships count towards the 85 limit and make guys continue to earn their financial aid. Unless a student-athlete is paralyzed from the waist down, there are plenty of things they can do to earn their scholarship and help the team.
4. Eliminate the motivation to use this loophole. If you eliminate oversigning then you can drastically cut down or eliminate all together situations where coaches are looking to push innocent players off the football team in order to make room for better players.
Common Arguments and More from the Paul Finebaum Radio Show:
1. This happens everywhere, what's the problem? No. This does not happen everywhere, according to Darren Everson there were 25 Medical Hardships in the SEC and 12 of them were Alabama's. But that's not the real issue, it's the combination of three things that makes it an issue, and those of you that want to argue against this to really pay attention here: A.) It's the higher than average number of medical hardships, B.) combined with a motive to issue those hardships (being oversigned and needed to cut players to get down to 85, and most importantly, C.) combined with the FACT that you have ALABAMA players ON RECORD stating that they think they were pushed into the medical hardship IN AN EFFORT TO WORK THE RECRUITING NUMBERS OUT and BRING IN BETTER PLAYERS.
If you take away those 3 factors then there is nothing wrong with the medical hardship, in fact, it is great and should be preserved.
2. This is just another example of northern media out to put down the SEC. No, it's not. This is a widely recognized issue that has been addressed by media outlets around the country. That is nothing more than a lame excuse.
The sports editor of the Tuscaloosa News, Cecil Hurt, tried to use that as an excuse or a reason as to why this is an issue, he even went so far as to say that this is all coming from the Big 10 in response to losing to the SEC all the time. Cecil Hurt is very well respected, but he is slightly off in his comments. If anyone has been affected by oversigning in terms of competitive advantage it has been the ACC who signs the fewest number of players of any BCS conference and has a miserable record against the SEC. His comments are at 32:20 in the link below.
http://www.finebaum.com/media/archives/show/20100924_PFRN_Hour2.mp3
3. This is all not true. Typical argument from a delusional fan that is willing to do whatever it takes to defend his team or coach. Finebaum actually had a guy call in and take this position with him, to which Finebaum responds with the following...go to the 3:45 mark in this link and listen to this argument.
http://www.finebaum.com/media/archives/show/20100924_PFRN_Hour2.mp3
4. This freaking article is a bunch of crap - you could write this article about any of the 119 teams. Another insane argument posed to Finebaum in the link above at the 21:00 minute mark.
5. This is not against the rules. Yes, medical hardships are not against the rules, but does anyone like the idea of a school abuse them to gain an advantage? Probably not.
Note: The site to the links for the audio is temporarily down; will probably be up again soon. Be sure to come back and check out the audio, it's well worth it if you enjoy discussing this topic.






September 26th, 2010 - 15:36
Josh,
I love how all the SEC lovers, and especially Alabama, only retort to things is, well it isn’t against the rules. That is about all they can come back with over and over. Really? Is that all you can say, well it isn’t against the rules? So that is like saying some corporation, dumping some toxic waste in some 3rd world country that doesn’t have environmental laws for making people sick and killing them off, just so you can make hyper profit because there is no laws saying we can’t in that country. Then someone calls that Corporation on the carpet, and the Corporations responds, well it isn’t against the laws. There is just things in life that just because it isn’t against the rules and laws, doesn’t make it right. Course, we are getting in ethics something no SEC coach as, except maybe Mark Richt at Georgia.
September 26th, 2010 - 19:19
Finebaum’s site has been down all weekend for some reason. I’ve been anxiously awaiting to hear the Bama homers defend/shift blame on this issue once again. Always entertaining. Seriously, where do they find these callers?!?!?
September 27th, 2010 - 16:19
Why do you always ignore the obvious solution to all of your woes — raise the overall scholarship cap to 125 and all of your angst will go away.
September 27th, 2010 - 17:29
And you wonder why Bama has had such successful teams the last few years.
September 28th, 2010 - 12:11
why hasnt Ole Miss or LSU? Since they are seen to be doing this also?
September 28th, 2010 - 12:24
Houston Nutt and Les Miles?
In all seriousness, Alabama is not winning solely because they oversign. However, oversigning does give them a competitive advantage over other schools and thus helps contribute to their success. That said, the majority of their success can be attributed to Nick Saban’s coaching and ability to recruit top tier talent with a crowded depth chart.
September 29th, 2010 - 13:24
Competive advantage? IDK
How is this a competitive advantage?
Florida won 2 NC in 3 Yrs. LSU won 1 Bama won 1. The SEC is on top right now but everything comes in cycles. Before that you had USC, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Miami. Why do these top tier teams continually rise to the top? Talent? Coaching? Oversigning? Thetalent across these teams are even. I would even say the coaching is even. Sometimes its more about the luck along the way. That oblong ball just bounces funny sometimes.
Player Advantage?
I believe it is an advantage to the player by not losing his scholarship. He is able to keep going to classes for free a luxury I never had. BTW i believe that most if not all these players stayed enrolled at the university. So if they felt like they were “forced out” why not transfer? I know I would not continue to go to a job that I felt had done me wrong. Would You?
October 4th, 2010 - 01:52
I guess I was too late for the link to the interview between the WSJ reporter and Finnebaum?
October 4th, 2010 - 07:34
Working on that…the links are still broken, but once we can get the podcast files we’ll try to link them up again.