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   DP
   October 13th, 2010 - 10:19

   “our interview session with Tim Hyland”

   “giving us the opportunity”

   “If we had to summarize the interview and give a bulleted list of the points we were trying to make”

   Hyland wrote that he interviewed one person.

   “Our”, “us” and “we” are plural. Do you think speaking of yourself as if you’re some kind of organization gives you some kind of enhanced stature rather than just demonstrating that you’re a liar?

   And you didn’t want to tell Hyland you are a big Ohio State fan because it’s “irrelevant”. LOL.

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   BC
   October 13th, 2010 - 12:28

   Hey, you know, when you have Agents paying your players like Ohio State did with Santonio Holmes, I guess it’s pretty easy to look the other way and scream about oversignign. Some of us kick guys who are on the take off of our team because unlike Ohio State, we have adequate oversight and compliance. And we would like to replace those guys rather than be incentivized to look the the other way like you guys are. Maybe oversigning is needed to clean up the Big 10. What do ya think, guy?

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   OSU'76
   October 13th, 2010 - 14:26

   You know what I think, guy? You should have read the entire interview in SI like I did. Had you done that I doubt you would have posted your little sanctimonious rant.

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     Catch 5
     October 13th, 2010 - 15:35

     I read the whole thing. If I remember correctly, it was toward the end where Holmes was mentioned so I would assume that he did as well. Just what in the article would make you not post something like that? There are no winners mentioned anywhere in that article. I have little doubt that what he writes is true, but the majority of it are from an earlier time. While Bama isn’t mentioned in the article, I’m sure they were allowing similar hijinx at that time. I do doubt that it is going on now – Bama is serious in their attempts at compliance. While I don’t see this as a condemnation of these programs today, it should serve as a reminder that nobody is perfect, regardless of their image. I do find Josh’s silence on this article amusing – while this isn’t oversigning (neither is medical redshirts on the surface) does anyone thint this wouldn’t have been up instantly if Bama had been named instead of OSU?

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       OSU'76
       October 13th, 2010 - 16:31

       Yes, Holmes was mentioned: as one of the guys Luchs did not pay, only that Holmes told him he was taken care of. Had BC read the article he would have known that. He also said that the SEC kicks players off the team for it when in fact the player’s from the SEC that were named were not kicked off for the same reason Holmes wasn’t: their coaches didn’t know about. Luchs says he doesn’t believe the schools were aware of what was going on.

       Josh has made it clear to those who listen that the over signing issue is not just about ‘Bama. There were a couple of SEC players named in the SI article so why, if he has a vendetta against only ‘Bama, not bring them up? Because it has nothing to do with over signing.

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         BC
         October 13th, 2010 - 22:33

         You mean where santonio Holmes told him he already has an agent taking care of his family? Yes i read that part and saw what he said.

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           OSU'76
           October 14th, 2010 - 07:40

           Yes, that part that I included in my post.

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             BC
             October 14th, 2010 - 10:30

             Then what the heck is he denying? The report states that Holmes told the agent that he was already taking money. Holmes denies that.

             As far as oversigning goes, I have made my points only to have the education system in Louisiana ridiculed be Josh, so pardon me if I don’t put too much effort into defending something against a man with an agenda, but I’ll give a brief run down. I was held accountable to a standard in order to keep my TOPS scholarship at LSU. That was an academic scholarship. These athletes are awarded scholarships based on athletic ability. If they are not passing conditioning tests, then they should not keep their scholarship. You must continue to earn it. Furthermore, you are awarded 85 scholarships. The notion that walk-ons are more deserving than high school athletes working their rears off to be one of the few that get a scholarship is ludicrous. Congratulations, Ohio State! You have done nothing more than deny someone that is more deserving of that scholarship the right to use it.

             I could go on, but I don’t waste too much effort due to Josh flat out having an agenda. That agenda is to put everyone else on their playing field, whether it’s right or wrong. And he clearly holds the wrong position. Notice he never advocates raising the scholarship limit to 90 and then implicating his position. I wonder why? I may be southern, but I’m not oblivious to what motivates him.

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         Catch 5
         October 13th, 2010 - 22:35

         It is certainly not unprecidented for Josh to go off-topic to highlight problems that he perceives, especially if its in the SEC or Bama in specific. It took no time for a piece on Saban’s “hypocracy” over agent’s involvement to find its way onto this site, so the subject certainly has a precident here.

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     Lee Roi Jordan
     October 13th, 2010 - 15:55

     The real question is not whether BC read the article, but instead how his comment relates to oversigning. Josh has done an admirable job describing the problem of oversigning and its history and then quantifying the issue in recent years. There has been discussion of transfers, medical hardships and greyshirts and how these subjects relate to oversigning.

     There is an ample amount of appropriate dissent on this site. Some argue the problem does not exist, if it does exist it exists only in isolated cases, it is a victimless crime or even that it is a moral practice that merely takes full advantage of existing rules. Some argue Josh has his facts wrong and some argue that he cannot count. Some of these points may be more valid than others, but they are all legitimate objections.

     Unfortunately, there is also an ample amount of inappropriate dissent (some might feel it is much more than ample). If BC is worried about agents paying players he should start no-agents.com. I doubt there are many here that would argue against his point that agents paying college players is bad for the sport. DSB frequently brings up the issue of redshirting to distract attention from the subject at hand. I’m still not sure why he has a problem with this practice, but if it bothers him he should start redshirting.com. He will have a forum to air his views and all of those who are distressed by this practice can gather together to discuss the issue. Many, including DP above, seem to be worried that Josh may be an Ohio State fan. Again, I’m not sure what this has to do with oversigning, but I checked and Joshisanohiostatefan.com is still available. Those of you worried about that issue can go there to vent if DP takes the trouble to start the site.

     It seems to me that oversigning is a complex issue. Many comments over the past months have enhanced our understanding of the problem. I would prefer we direct our comments to defining, denying or remedying oversigning.

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       vesper
       October 13th, 2010 - 19:45

       Josh set the precedent for veering off the oversigning issue by posting the blog entries “DSB – DeepSouthBoy” and “Pimps, Agents, and Hypocracy” which just so happens to also deal with the dirty agents issue. Turnabout is fair play.

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       BC
       October 13th, 2010 - 22:36

       Josh has taken his shots the south. He set that tone. I am saying Ohio State was implicated and maybe being handcuffed by the big 10s misguided undersigning policies is what motivates them.

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         Josh's Little B!tch
         October 14th, 2010 - 14:31

         Mr. Deep:

         This post is interesting on several levels.

         1. You should not compare college football to war. That is tantamount to Saban’s comment comparing a loss to the Holocaust. College football is not a matter of life or death. Using such comparisons is insensitive to those who have actually experienced real tragedy.

         2. If your position is that oversigning is okay, then your comparison to something that is illegal seems to miss your mark.

         3. If you really believe that Josh or anyone on his staff is in mortal danger as a result of this site, then I should think that you would want to distance yourself from anything like that – not implicate yourself. I am sure that you meant to say “someone” might throw Molotov cocktails at Mrs. Johnson’s house.

         4. Surely your mother did not name you “Deep South Boy”. That is an alias designed to maintain your own anonymity, right?

         Just trying to help.

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           Josh's Little B!tch
           October 14th, 2010 - 20:42

           But you did use more exaggerated histrionics.

           Josh has never said that oversigning is killing anybody. And he is very clear that oversigning does not even violate NCAA rules, much less U.S. laws. I just think that your consistent attempts to paint Josh as the one who is loosing a screw in this debate backfires against you.

           As for Mrs. Johnson … again, I am just trying to help you. You are mixing sarcasm with legitimate points. There really are some whackos out there who throw Molotov cocktails because of things that they read on the Internet. When you write things like this – even trying to be sarcastic – it makes you look like you just might be one of them.

           The bottom line is that it really does not matter how big Josh’s staff might be, or where he went to college, or what state he lives in today. Oversigning is not about Josh. It is simply a recruiting practice that some leagues/coaches avoid and other leagues/coaches exploit. Josh is not a coach. Josh neither oversigns nor undersigns college kids to play sports.

           I just think that your viewpoint would be better served if you didn’t try to trump Josh’s perceived histrionics, and if you didn’t focus so much on Josh himself. Debate the facts. Stand your ground on principle.

           I am pulling for you. You crack me up.

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             Josh's Little B!tch
             October 15th, 2010 - 15:23

             I understand your point better now. It may be valid after all. I am thinking now that I might have misunderstood your position. Let me ask you this …

             Is your position on oversigning:

             A. Oversigning exists, but it is okay.
             or
             B. Oversigning does not even exist.
             ?

             To elaborate just a little on each of these:

             “A” means that you believe oversigning is practiced by certain programs – and yes, it gives them a competitive advantage – but you think that it is perfectly acceptable in the real world (which is highly competitive and merit-based already) and instead of whining about it, these other programs should just do it themselves (or not, but stop whining nonetheless).

             “B” means that you think the whole issue of oversigning is a mirage. You think that the numbers trotted-out on this site are manipulated and that no competitive advantage exists as a result. You think that if the truth is told, there would be no material difference between the numbers of scholarships offered and honored among all of the major programs.

             Of course you are still welcome to clarify your position as “C”, which is something different from either of the positions that I have described.

             Not that I matter one whit on this site (or any other), but it would really help me if you would take just a minute and help me understand your position.

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4. 

   Christian
   October 16th, 2010 - 10:00

   One loss later and the Bama fans are back with their personal attacks with nothing to do about oversigning. Get over yourselves!

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