Ohio State vs. Arkansas

Based on Ohio State's average recruiting class size, 19.8, Arkansas has the advantage of having accepted nearly 2 full recruiting classes of signed letters of intent more than Ohio State.   Most notably, the DT, OL, WR, and those recruited under ATH, appear to be where Arkansas has recruited more players.

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  1. Josh,

    How long is it going to be until the NCAA figures out it is a huge advantage for teams who oversign? Just like Troy versus Ohio? Troy out oversigns Ohio and slaughters them. HMM, like someone else said, only way Saban can win, is to have some kind of advantage, he sucked at MSU, and then started winning at LSU because he was probably doing it back then. Went to the NFL where he couldn’t get an advanatage and actually had to coach and was a loser, now he is back to Albama, and actually up to his old tricks. LSU won a NC from Saban talent that was an NFL lineup, and now Saban won at Alabama. Notice Petey when everyone thought he was God, well, he was cheating paying players. Makes you wonder when someone dominates like they do, if they aren’t up to something.

  2. Al Gore? Really?

    Could you be any more of a sad stereotype? Have you ever even left Alabama?

  3. Dumb redneck…

  4. The reality is that the Big Ten, while not being perfect, has always attempted to mitigate the corrupting influences of big time college football from their ban on athletic dorms back when they were allowed by the ncaa to their refusal to accept partial qualifiers to their current restraint on oversigning. It may not make for the best football programs, but it clearly makes for better universities.

    On the other hand, the SEC is a cesspool of corrupt football programs attached to mediocre universities.

    • Whoa, fella. MOST of the SEC. Georgia, Vandy and Florida don’t oversign. There are nine other schools I’m with you on, though.

      • Unfortunately, we get no credit for it though because we are lumped in with the “S-E-C! S-E-C!”

        Georgia grads should be e-mailing Adams and McGarity, asking them to force SEC schools to cut this crap out.

        The SEC West schools are just simply embarrassing.

        • While Georgia’s at it, could they stop winning the Fulmer Cup? I think that is more of a bad sign than oversigning. In fact, it’s MUCH worse.

    • Well said. And if someone bothers to clean up the SEC, possibly they could do an overhaul of the inept/corrupt officiating in that conference.

  5. ohio state, the whooping team of the SEC. lets blame it on recruiting.

  6. ANOTHER Al Gore reference????? Well, at least you didn’t mention crack smoking.

  7. Assuming these guys actually went to college, it’s pretty clear why there were only 3 SEC schools ranked in the top 75 in US News rankings (incidentally ALL Big 10 schools were ranked)… You would trade your souls for a national championship, so your attitudes aren’t surprising. Here’s hoping your kid gets screwed one day by one of your classy SEC coaches and perhaps you’ll look at things a little differently.

    • The beauty is this…someday, when college football is over, the former SEC players and college goers will be workfing for a Big Ten graduate….now go get my coffee son. Pro football only lasts for 4-5 years for the majority…..what’s after football?…..working for Big Ten Grads!!!!!!!

  8. yeah, I can see someone working for maurice clarett some day…hahahahahahaha.

    the Big Ten, where they can’t win the big football games and blame it on an unfair advantage in recruiting. call a freaking whambulance

  9. Say what you want about Clarett. He made some bad decisions clearly, and has paid for them dearly. What I think is important, and is being overlooked in this chest thumping (both sides) is the committment to a young man and making him a better person. You can’t always guarantee that a kid keeps it together, on or off the field. What I think is so troubling about this trend is a lack of committment to the student. Clarett made bad decisions, but Tressel and tOSU were committed to helping this kid til it became clear he couldn’t be helped (at the time). Then, after all the untruthful smearing of tOSU by MoC, Tressel still helped Clarett get back into tOSU once he was released. The program didn’t gain anything by this, it simply represents a promise that Tress made to Clarett that he would help him become a better person and following through on that promise. How many promises have been made by these programs, in all conferences, that they didn’t follow through on. Most college players don’t go on to the NFL, and their degree is their future. If it’s my kid, I wanna make sure that the coach and program understand this and follow through on their committment to my son. Failure to do so, for whatever competitive advantage may or may not exist, is deplorable.

  10. and now players on Ohio State football team are swapping their autographs for tattoos…yeah, they are smart ones up there. I can see myself working for them too.

    buckeye78, you just nailed it, of course it’s chest pumping…thats my point, this whole site gets a bunch of Big-Ten homers that talk about how great the Big-Ten is, how much integrity they have, how crappy the SEC is, etc. Lets not fool ourselves here, I can bring up example after example of questionable things in the Big-Ten, but it’s pointless, as some of the folks commenting are idiots and will continue to argue.

    The whole purpose of this site is to talk about the problem with Oversigninng, now which conference is better – Its pretty clear what conference has been better the last 5 years in football, but I’m sure someone will find a reason to dispute this.

    well, I think it depends on how you see commitment I guess.

  11. INTEGRITY AT ITS FINEST…. I can see myself working for these guys….if I was employeed at McDonalds.

    Go Big-Ten….

    Pryor is the team’s star, while Herron is the leading rusher and Posey is the second-leading receiver. Adams is a starter at left tackle and Thomas a top sub on the defensive line.

    Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.

    Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.

    Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.

    Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.

    Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.

  12. Guess we gonna find out what kinda INTEGRITY “Sweater Vest” and your University of Ohio State… They should sit those players for the BCS game.

    Sling some mud you Big-Ten homers…hahahahaha

  13. justify justify :) gotta love fans

    the NCAA sucks

  14. Why sit them, I don’t know, maybe because it is the RIGHT thing to do?

  15. at least they are “truly remorseful” as they have gone public with their statement…what a joke.

    bet they don’t stick around for a year and show what type of men they are – good thing Ohio State is gonna let this slide and follow the NCAA rules and suspend them next year when they are all gone to the NFL.

    i mean, yeah its legal just like oversigning….but oversigning is an issue and this isn’t an issue at all

  16. http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/why-isnt-big-10s-delany-standing-up-now-29382

    why isn’t delany standing up now… I mean he did speak up on $cam Newton…but has been silent during the Tattoo Scandal

    I’m so glad the Big-Ten is a shining example of what other conferences should strive to become.


  17. The farce that is Terrelle Pryor, “student-athlete”. Looks like Tressel took his booster system that provides illegal benefits to players from Youngstown State to Ohio State. Congrats to Ohio State on finally winning a bowl game against the SEC, even if it took using 5 players who should have been ineligible to do it.


    • This is the same type of crap that resulted in DSB being shown the door.

      • Show me the door, you little twit. I haven’t posted here in months, just had to pass on the latest confirmation that for all your sanctimony your beloved Ohio State Buckeyes are still running a football factory.

  18. The problem I have with this data is that it is used to make too many assumptions. Without more information it is useless. The questions left open are: 1. How many signees were actually cut, even by backdoor means? How many are no longer on the team, or never got to the team for that matter, for other reasons (academically ineligible out of high school, transfers, academic probation, etc.?). The one premise I absolutely do not agree with in that context is that ‘chasing academic risks’ is of necessity an evil. Sometimes ‘academic risks’ have no other opportunity to become academic successes. Assume hypothetically that only 1/8 of those recruited as “academic risks” – i.e. students who otherwise would probably not have an opportunity for a college education – ultimately graduate. Is that necessarily a worse outcome than if none of them ever attend college? To me, much more important than the recruiting numbers are the quality of the resources schools provide to those students who come into a program and are, for whatever reason, academically deficient. If those resources are provided, and those students still fail, for whatever reason, at least the opportunity existed, and those who succeed have been given a value they otherwise would never have had access to.

    The other issue is how many players have the means and are willing to forgo a scholarship so that others can be signed, but remain on the team. I’m not saying that’s what happened here. I’m saying the data is incomplete without a detailed roster analysis. The rosters are readily available. One would have to conduct analysis of individual player histories to determine exactly what happened, though. The analysis on this web site, unless I’m really missing something, limits itself to a single set of numbers, generalizes from those numbers, and thereby minimizes their statistical usefulness.

    As an aside, I frankly don’t even see the relevance of claims of purported “competitive advantage” (a doubtful, or at least simplistic, claim to begin with, since quality tends to mean more than quantity in college football – i.e. would you rather have one Tyrell Pryor or five miscellaneous ATH signees) to the issue. If the concern is the players, make that the concern. If it is not, this exercise is a pointless argument over what the rules should be, and ultimately a complaint that some people play to the limits of those rules. A “competitive advantage” is one that is an advantage not available to all contestants. Clearly, over signing is available to all. The question is whether in truth moral reasons exist not to do it, or whether we just want to gain our own “competitive advantage” by limiting teams who choose to recruit quantity over a more focused recruiting of quality.

    Give me more specific data collection, and not simply isolated anecdotal evidence, including evaluation of resources provided for “at risk” student-athletes. Focus on the needs of the student athletes, and forget the bogus “competitive advantage” analysis, and I might buy in.

  19. Don’t both schools have a max of 85 players on the roster? Where the advantage for Arkansas, again?

  20. Oversigning is a problem but who cares. Arkansas oversigns with our huge 3 star athletes we bring in. Recruiting is a joke period as it takes a coach to develop talent to win. Getting the talent there is fine but developing is the key, which is what BP did at Arkansas. Saban does it. Notre Dame does not do it. Huge classes every year. Huge disappointment. The same can be said with FSU and Miami lately and so on. Oh and do not forget Clemson.

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