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Chad Hawley, Associate Commissioner of the B1G Conference on the Topic of Oversigning

This morning, we received a forwarded copy of this email from Mr. Hawley from one of our readers and we were able to confirm that it did originate from Mr. Hawley, and that we had his blessing to share his thoughts on the topic of oversigning with the rest of our readers.

From Mr. Hawley:

I appreciate your interest in the issue of oversigning. As you may know, the Big Ten is philosophically opposed to the practice of oversigning in all sports, and our long-standing rules in this area reflect as much. Consequently, we are pleased to see that the conversation regarding oversigning appears to be picking up steam nationally. We’ll continue to monitor that conversation, and when given the opportunity, we will continue to share our position that our approach better serves student-athlete welfare.

I do believe that we are heading in the right direction nationally. For example, there is now an NCAA rule in football—effective for the first time this year—that limits the number of prospects who may sign National Letters of Intent with an institution (28 during the regular signing period). In general, the NCAA rule is not as restrictive as Big Ten rules, but again, it’s a step in the right direction—we voted in favor of the rule and will continue to vote similarly in the future.

I can’t say whether the day will come when NCAA rules prohibit oversigning in any or all sports, but we obviously would welcome such a day. Continued pressure from the media and the public certainly help the cause.

I hope this is helpful to you. Again, thank you for your interest.

Sincerely,

Chad Hawley
Associate Commissioner

Things are moving in the right direction, but there is still a lot of work left to be done.  Setting the cap at 28 does not eliminate the problem, as we have seen in the SEC, but is a move in the right direction.  It should be noted that the SEC, the biggest offenders of oversigning, does not have supplemental rules in place to safeguard their student-athletes from oversigning and situations such as what Elliot Porter and Chris Garrett went through this past year.

The associate commissioner has been gracious enough to extend an invitation for further questions and we are working on that now and will share his response as soon as possible.  In the meantime, we thought this was relevant and worthy of sharing.

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  1. This where it will not make a difference. Lets say the NCAA decides that come January 16th the day after players that want to declare for the NFL have to let the NCAA know how many players they have returning on scholarship. SO basically they are required to show the NCAA their recruiting budget. This will dictate from there how many players a school can sign with probably as now 3 over the limit. That way if someone does not qualify or whatever the school can adjust and if they all do they grayshirt 3 players.

    All this will do is force players out earlier. It will not prevent them from having players transfer out or players not getting to stay after they receive thier degree or players being placed on medical scholarship. All will it do is force these decisions to come ealier. I think all this does is speed up who is going out. I somewhat applaud thier effort but it does not fix anything just expedites the situation.

    • No one is being forced out earlier in the Big 10. The SEC just needs to adopt the Big 10 rules and operate the same way — it’s not rocket science — the movement across the country is not to get the Big 10 to adopt the SEC rules (which they don’t have any so it would mean the Big 10 would just drop the rules they have) because most everyone, except hard-headed apologists such as yourself and a few others, sees this for what it really is.

      • What I am apologizing for. All I said is it will not change anything. So what, instead of announcing a player will transfer late spring or in the summer, they do it in December. How did that stop oversigning. I guess if the issue is players are getting pushed out then some penalty needs to be made at the school for doing it.

        Here is my question for you Joshua because I am not clear on all the Big10 rules. I understand the Big 10 does not oversign, but does anything happen to the school if suspicous transfers happen every year or medical redshirts? So everyone adopts the B10 policy that if you know on NSD you only have 18 spots available you can not accept more than 18 NLI unless you had some EEs already. But what is in place to stop the coaches from trimming the roster prior to that to accept 25 in the Big 10? I think the issue should be more of an accountability of the school and staff.

      • And why does the Big 10, or even you, get any say in what the SEC does? Why do you get to impose your will on another organization? It’s like Big Brother.

  2. Amazing to contrast this serious condemnation of a practice – a position that is shared among officials at numerous schools and other conferences – with the “F ‘em, it’s a one-year contract” approach of SEC West fans.

    One group – comprised of schools that on average have far better academic and professional reputations and rankings than SEC West schools on average – says the practice is highly unethical and thus chooses to avoid engaging in it, even when it means a substantial competitive disadvantage against oversigning schools. The other group – smaller in number and comprised of lower ranking academic institutions – claims there is nothing wrong with oversigning.

    Hmmm… whom to believe here.

    • Where did I say it was wrong or right. Professional reputations you might want to check out the Fulmer Cup site and explain to me why more SEC East teams are on it than SEC West. If you remove Vanderbilt from the list, the academics in the SEC east are not much better. Just as the standards for getting in as an athlete are low across the board in the SEC(except Vandy) and you might want to check the graduation rates for the EAST before you talk about higher academic standards over there also.

      • “Fulmer Cup!!!”

        Zzzzzzz…

        As for academic standing, USNWR rankings:

        #12 – Northwestern
        #17 – Vanderbilt
        #29 – Michigan
        #45 – Wisconsin
        #47 – Penn State
        #47 – Illinois
        #53 – Florida
        #56 – Ohio State
        #56 – Purdue
        #56 – Georgia

        Alabama? #79
        Auburn? #85
        LSU? #124

        And so on.

        Every single Big 10 school except for Michigan State (#79), and the 3 SEC schools that refuse to oversign, are ranked higher than every single SEC West school.

        Go figure.

  3. Let us not wallow in the valley of oversigning despair, I say to you today, my friends.

    And so even though we face the difficulties of huge SEC signing classes today and The March to 85 tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

    I have a dream that one day the NCAA will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all recruiting classes will be equal.”

    I have a dream that one day on the bayous of Louisiana, the players of former coaches and the players of former athletic directors will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

    I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice in oversigning, sweltering with the heat of oppression of student athletes being cut, will be transformed into an oasis of schools that never exceed the 85 scholarship limit.

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the speed of their 40-yard dash but by the content of their character.

    I have a dream today!

    I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious medical hardship waivers, with its football coach having his lips dripping with the words of “Oversigning” and “Attrition” — one day right there in Alabama prospective 5-star recruits will be able to join hands with their slower 3-star brethren as teammates not casualties of The March to 85.

    I have a dream today!

    I have a dream that one day every coach shall sign only 25 players per class, and every year they will not exceed the 85-player limit, The SEC will be made plain, and the crooked coaches will be made straight; “and the glory of a fair and just NCAA shall be revealed and all college athletes shall see it together.”

    This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the SEC with.

    With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of oversigning a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation’s unfair recruiting practices into a beautiful symphony of an ethical signing day. With this faith, we will be able to recruit together, to sign together, to struggle on the field together, to go to jail together, to stand up for fair recruiting together, knowing that we will be free from the injustices of Saban one day.

    And this will be the day — this will be the day when all of the NCAA’s athletes will be able to sing with new meaning:

    My country ’tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.
    Land where the practice of oversigning died, land of Jim Tressel’s pride,
    From every mountainside, let freedom from oversigning ring!

    And if college football is to be a great again, this must become true.

    And so let freedom from an unjust NCAA who condones the abuse of oversigning ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

    Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

    Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

    Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

    Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

    But not only that:

    Let freedom from oversigning ring from Houston Nutt at Ole Miss.

    Let freedom from unjust medical waivers ring from Les Miles at LSU.

    Let freedom from cuts and transfers ring from every coach and University in Alabama.

    From every school in the SEC, let freedom from being on The Oversigning CUP ring.

    And when this happens, when we allow freedom from oversigning to ring, when we let it ring from every SEC school and every athletic director, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of student athletes, black men and white men, slow men and fast men, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the NEW Southeastern Conference spiritual:

    Free from Saban at last! Free from Miles at last!
    Thank God Almighty, we are free from Oversigning at last!

  4. #
    MEG
    January 15th, 2011 – 11:06

    The only reason this is being discussed is because fans want to WIN! If a fan’s team isn’t winning it all, those fans must find a reason. Obviously the sponsors of this website feel that OVER SIGNING is giving other teams a competitive advantage. Quit the crap about “the poor student athlete is getting screwed”. That student athlete is getting at least some of his education paid for based on his athletic ability. Many others have to work and pay for it themselves. This isn’t about the “poor student athlete that couldn’t make it on the football team”; it’s about the fans that want to WIN. If a student on an academic scholarship doesn’t maintain a specified grade point average, they lose their scholarship. If a student doesn’t contribute to the team, why should they retain their scholarship?
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    • Meg,

      You couldn’t be more wrong. It is unethical and it should be called out. Even the SEC is somewhat embarrassed by this, as they passed the Houston Nutt rule. No other conference operates like the SEC west-thankfully.

      The competitive advantage is not in dispute. When you recruit 30 kids more than a next program, that is a huge advantage.

      • Greg McElroy QB Alabama a Rhodes Scholar runner-up // A major embarrassment too SEC West /// Right Vito

        • Vito there are Ath Scholars in the SEC so what you are saying? They dont match up with the other Conferences. Please, I wonder how many social promotions are given in the other Conferences that are not publicize? Remember Dexter Manley Oka St DL – Wash Redskin – Could Not Read….. Go figure!

      • It has been called out and people are talking about it and writing about it, but yet with all the soap box preaching and fingers pointing or the same rhetoric no one has yet showed a solution for the problem.

        Yes people continually defend one side or the other but those against it just continue to point out the issue not address it to form a resolution.

        So with all your wisdom please explain how you would stop oversigning or what needs to happen to stop it. You want to be the champion for the cause or a part of the downfall of something so unethnical than show it. It is easy to point the finger another to actually step up and create a solution.

    • Let’s play poker.

      You get 5 cards.
      I get 7.

      Best 5 wins.

  5. It sound like me this is a Big-10 problem and if you guys dont like it then adopt the SEC way. The current problem with College football, there is folks out there that do not have anything better to do with their time then make up foolish rules, much like the celebration rule after a touchdown. “Give the player their glory they earned it.” Too many rules only makes it hard for the advid fan too wrap their heads around.
    I feel all the other Conferences that are not win the BCS title are “jealous” and want make foolish rules to even the playing field, noting most players would prefer to go to a place that would give them the best chances to enter the NFL, which the SEC does provide. With all this said, I hope the SEC would never adopt the BIG 10 rule, we should not start setting limits on the players because it could eliminate most 2 and 3 star players from an elite schools, heck Mark Ingram Heisman winner was a 3 star RB from Michigan. Go figure!

    • Why would evening the playing field be foolish?

      • It wouldn’t. Do let some schools spend more money or their program than another, like Ohio State does. Impose a “salary cap” and make everyone spend the same. While you’re at it, don’t let any programs serve higher quality food than another one, or have a better deal with Nike or Adidas. Make sure all gear deals are the same. And don’t let any teams have better medical staff than any others. That wouldn’t be fair?

        Let’s also cap the number of five-star recruits any one team can have.

        Oh, I know the NCAA doesn’t have any rules like this in place, but since we’re going for fairness here, let’s not stop until we have imposed enough rules on the system that no one can look at it an claim that one program has ANY advantages over another. Personally, I won’t be happy until every last 1-A program in the nation finished 6-6 every single year.

        • Hoss, you are confusing many different arguments that are not pertinent. The issue is oversigning and there is nothing ethically equivalent of it.

          Also again, OSU and Alabama spend roughly the same on their football program (~31M). One schools supports 36 athletic sports through football, and the other supports 19 through football. mmmmmmmm.

          One school funds to make itself bigger an better, the other appears to be collecting interest.

          • Once again, the 31 vs. 19 doesn’t matter. this is money spent on FOOTBALL ONLY, not on these other sports. It wouldn’t make a difference if OSU were funding 200 other sports as it relates to this particular metric.

            And it seems to me that the poster acknowledged Bama is also spending a whale of a lot on football, But his point, and it is a very good one, is that if you are trying to use oversigning as a clarion call for leveling the playing field, then you can’t stop there. You have to address ALL of the means by which these programs are attempting to gain what could easily be construed as an unfair advantage, and that would certainly include how much is being spent on the programs themselves.

            No confusion whatsoever, and it is absolutely pertinent.

            • Of course it matters. 36 to 19 is a partial reflection of the values of the university. Money expended on football is an investment in other sports since football profits fund all other sports. OSU could eliminate their other sports, and invest more in football and coaches salaries, however, they find value in things other than football.

              Alabama , while spending nearly the same amount on football, chooses not to fund other sports because football is king, and no other sports or students matter. Compare OSU coaches salary compared to Alabama’s; it’s not really close.

              His point was hyperbole, and was not pertinent. People want oversigning because it is unethical and it makes a mockery of the sport.

              This isn’t that hard.

              • You have got to be kidding me. So your assertionis, and I just want to make sure you are actually going down this path of absurdity, is that by spending more on your program thqan any other program in the nation, that this is actually designed to BENEFIT the other sports. That may be the biggest load of poppycock I have seen in quite some time. You want to talk about hyperbole? You may have just cornered the market on it.

                • What is so poppycock-ish about it? Don’t be obtuse.

                  Universities need to spend money to make money. Again, one program chooses football to fund the Olympic sports. The other school uses fooball profits to fund their ridiculous coaching salaries and their recruiting jet that they use for oversigning.

                  In short, compare the coaches salaries, and the number of varsity sports, between the two schools, and you’ll get a good idea of the values of the two schools.

              • Also, Alabama’s football program most definitely funds the others, outside of hoops. I don’t know what sports OSU offers that Bama doesn’t, and I don’t care. But whatever high horse you are riding, you need to dismount.

                • You don’t know, and you don’t care…

                  That is exactly the problem at Alabama. I could almost guarantee that you probably know every kid on Alabama’s football roster, though.

            • Heck, why dont we have an even playing field in our military with the world, so no one country has unfair advantage. What is the differents in football and war, They are both challenges. Lets have Sudan and Iran have the same Nuke power as the USA.

              See how silly that sounds? College Football has never been even or fair, nor will it ever be. Alabama spent “Several Grand” to help Miami International University team and band come to the Capstone for a scheduled game a couple of years back. The point here is not all college are selfish with their funds and goes out of their way to help a new member of div 1-A get started.
              If all thing would be even this most likely would never happen and the new members would have to settle for less as in who to play and the amount the school would get paid. Just food for thought!

    • Or….

      its unethical to discontinue the scholarship of a student, who is meeting all his academic requirements and performing “adequately” on the field.

      Unless you set the standard of performing “adequately” at starting, in which case – that is in no way unethical for a NFL team to operate.

    • Yes and Mark Ingram should have never ended up at Alabama because they were already over their scholarship limit but due to oversigning they were able to get him in that class. Julio Jones and Marcel Dareus would not be in that class either. Those are 3 big time recruits for Alabama who should have never been there because Alabama’s class was full. And oversigning is not a competitive advantage…..yeah right!

      • You might want to correct your statement their. They all 3 turned out to be 3 big time players but they were all big time recruits. Mark Ingram was rated a 3 star and the 58th best RB in the country on one site and as an athlete on another. Only had a hand full of offeres. Same as MD a 3 star and alot of questions about his development and with only a hand full of offers. People were not beating down those 2 doors to offer. Jones yes, but J Jones was coming to UA anyway and a spot was held for him.

        Again I am not defending anything I just prefer people teel a story with some facts in it. Even if these players could not have commited to UA 2 of them had very few offers. They became the players they because of CNS. Maybe someone else could have got them to that level but is was CNS that did.

        • I never said they were highly recruited and that wasnt my point at all. My point was….Alabama was already over their scholarship limit when these three committed so therefore they should have never been on the team. Most teams go by the rule, if we dont have a scholarship to offer then we will NOT offer. What I did say is they all three turned out to be very talented, important players for Alabama. Not bad getting 3 guys who contributed significantly to a National Championship when they wouldnt have been on the team if it werent for oversigning!

          • Yes but what some fail to understand is they were very high on CNS board that year. If restrictions regarding oversigning were in place that year 3 spots would have stayed open for those 3. People on here like to allude to the assumption UA would not have held out for them but they would have because CNS wanted them. All that would have happened is 3 others would not have been allowed to verbally commit. Especially when we had questionable commitments that needed to sign and place.

            So yes no matter how you spin it and even if oversigning or the Big 10 rules were in place in the SEC all 3 would have been a part of the team.

          • Worse case would have been an LSU situation. Take all the verbals but on NSD say sorry we are taking these 3 instead. But again all 3 would have ended up at UA and think a team would turn a way 5 star J Jones on NSD would only make one very naive. You alwasy find room for those type of players.

            • yes and that is not a good situation either. If they had players commit to fill the amount of scholarships available they wouldnt have room unless they held out for those 3. If that was the case they would have had to give out 3 greyshirts to 3 other players and it would be all good. The fact that is escaping here is how Alabama ended with a whopping 32 recruits. OVERSIGNING! Gaining a competitive advantage by having 7 players more than the competition, except of course LSU, Ole Miss, and a few other schools.

              • I am not disagreeing with you on that, but many thin those 3 would not have ended up at UA and they would have.

                I also think there are several issues that if were addressed by the NCAA oversigning would stop. They would not even need to address oversigning. See right now oversigning is not a concern for these schools that do it, even if the SEC adopted the Big 10 rules, they would still do it just in a different approach. The NCAA needs to hold the schools accountable by making them feel the effect of doing it. When safeguards are in place that hurt the school as much as some people feel it does the player they will stop. Requiring recruiting budgets will not do that.

          • That sounds like a combination of sour grapes and envy.

  6. Then why not let all students keep their academic scholarships regardless of their grades? What is the difference? They are both based on merit. This is about fans wanting to win and has nothing to do with ethics and nothing to do with the student athlete. If this is about the student athlete, give anybody who wants to play the game a scholarship and let them all stay on the team whether the play or not. I’m all for fair play but the argument is ridiculous. The people who sponsor this site attempt to argue that anybody recruited to play the game should be retained regardless of their academic situation, health issues or character issues. That doesn’t work in real life. People who can’t master their job get fired. People who can’t perform their job due to medical hardship get a disability retirement and people who don’t succeed in the work environment due to character issues get let go.

    • Meg, you are EXACTLY right. Don’t let anyone dissuade you from that position. This site is all about trying to knock the SEC down. The sanctimony about the poor kids is nothing more than a bunch of Republicans trying to act like Democrats and it’s about as transparent as Saran wrap.

      • The SEC does a fine job of knocking itself down by always looking for a loophole to help their football program. This site is just exposing the SEC for what it is. End oversigning and this site will go away.

        But SEC fans won’t because they are too invested in their football and they know it is a benefit to them at the expense of many others.

        • Loopholes Vito? Please, get real man. The SEC has not adopted the Big Ten ruling, and I hope it never does. That is a Big Ten problem not an NCAA problem. Heck, I think Ohio State (a Big Ten Team) got away with an “I dont Know you cant do that NCAA ruling”. Its like calling the kettle black, wouldnt you say? Also, It seems that a former powerhouse Michigan cant seem to keep a coach either due to the lack of winning or is it the lack of recruiting? So, who knocking who down? All Conferences do something “unethical” it is just that everyone wants to jump on the current giant and beat them down too their size no matter the cost.
          PS. How come USC did not get the Death Penalty? Is it because they are the College football darlings? And if you say they got their just reward, I would say they got a mere slap on the wrist in comparision to the other Conferences that faired much worst.

          RULES are only as good as those who enforce them…..

          • James, why are you fighting against higher standards?

            This issue about an institutional belief in oversigning and how ethically unfair it is for student welfare as well as the competitive advantage aspect. Your own conference admitted that this practice is embarrassing. Sadly, they used a bubble gum solution (28 scho/yr) to fix it.

            • So what is fair about keeping players no matter how well they do ON the field, which is the only reason they were given a scholarship in the first place.

              This isn’t a soup kitchen, there are no free lunches.

              • Then why sign these kids in the first place if they can’t perform ON the field? If a school doesn’t offer a scholarship to these kids in the first place then there would be no issue. Maybe it’s the coach’s fault that they kid underperforms.
                Regardless, some kids are getting screwed and it happens even when they have met the requirements.

  7. Here comes Cletus the slack-jawed Apologist and his kin.

  8. What Cletus and his kin won’t admit is that not only do they oversign during the regular signing period, but many of those $EC schools bring in an additional 20-25 players on top of that class for a “try out” prior to cutting down the final roster prior to the start of the fall semester.

    • The current NCAA ruling is a max 28 signing cap. All else is a Conference agreements and has nothing to do with the NCAA. Go look it up….

  9. You re either a University who is trying to win at the expense of the students, or you aren’t.

    It’s just a matter of time before Georgia follows Georgia Tech and secedes from the SEC. The Big Ten will love ‘em.

  10. Then why not let all students keep their academic scholarships regardless of their grades? What is the difference?

    ….I will tell you…athletics are not supposed to be the primary endeavor. Its unfortunate that we have let it come this far. Athletics are supposed to add to the academic pursuit and experience. this is why athletic depts and the NCAA have non-profit status…If you really believe what you are stating, then you would be in favor of merit pay…earn what you are worth…but you are probably not in favor of this….You want it both ways and this won’t work…

    Also, I’m sure there are standards that are specified when a person will lose their academic scholarship….there are no such standards in athletics…its subjective based on a coaches opinion or judgement…

    • See this is where I have began to see the concern with schools. They are recruiting purely based on athletic ability with no consideration for the academic side of the scholarship. This is the way it is for all conferences. You might have one or two schools but the majority have lower standards to qualify to get the star athlete. Sorry any school that does not have 90% graduation rate for it football players is sad in my opinion. Especially when you consider the resources that the football department has in place to make sure students pass the courses. They probably have more resources than any other department in a school.

      That is why the question about is it wrong to not renew their scholarship based solely on the athletic performance when that is solely what they are being rectuied for. They are not recruiting students so the NCAA should just go ahead and remove the student form student athlete. I mean when the national average for graduation is between 50-60% that means 5/6 out of 10 college football players graduate. that is sad with the resources they have available.

      I found this link and I think some like Mario might enjoy the read and the other one as well.

      Here are a few excerpts from the 2 links:

      “Severns, a college football fan, was rooting for the Badgers when they took the field in Pasadena, though she worries that Wisconsin football players are less likely to graduate than University of Wisconsin students as a group. “I hope the day comes when I can watch college football without feeling guilty,” she says. “Giving a kid a football scholarship is only worthwhile if he departs from college with a meaningful degree. Otherwise, the college is exploiting him for cash while leaving him dangerously unprepared for the workforce. Only a very small number of players in the BCS bowls this year will end up going pro. Of the rest, only slightly more than half will graduate. That’s awful.”

      All that matters to the BCS is money — doubly awful because the BCS is tax-exempt, masquerading as a civic organization and thus subsidized by the federal deficit.

      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/110111_tuesday_morning_quarterback

      Overall, the top 25 teams have a 54 percent federal graduation rate for their players. Black players are 15 percentage points less likely to graduate than their white peers — a wider gap than what is seen in the overall population of students at schools (where the gap between black and white students averages around 12 percentage points).

      This year, one of the poorest performers is Michigan State, which had a 38 percentage point gap between the graduation rate for the football team and the school overall – the largest disparity among the 25 teams. Meanwhile, the black-white graduation rate gap is widest at Florida State, which awarded degrees to 92 percent of its white players, but only 47 percent of its black players.

      http://higheredwatch.newamerica.net/blogposts/2010/fourth_annual_academic_bowl_championship_series_rankings-41517

      I wish the BCS would adopt these measures.

    • While out of town the other day I watch a news show and they were talking about a federal lawsuit dealing with antitrust laws. The case stems from special admissions of students. They referenced that the top 30 academic schools in the country a student who is a legacy is 12 times more likely to get accepted over a normal student. Legacy meaning one or both of their parents attended there. Now we are mostly talking about Ivy League schools and if I remember correctly Harvard was the main school in the law suit. Students and families were upset that their children were being denied admissions but yet their child were well above the admission standard and yet lost their spot to students who were below them.

      The part though I found interesting was that an athlete was 4 times more likely to get in at these same schools than a regular student. So when this is happening at the top 30 academic institutions in the country, Ivy League and others, inagine what that number is like in the BCS conferences or any football power house. Sort of sad.

    • I would say that athletics have at the very least been the primary endeavor since The U started raiding the inner cities for prime talent. Some before then naturally, but it became real once that talent pool in Florida got tapped.

  11. Heck, why dont we have an even playing field in our military with the world, so no one country has unfair advantage. What is the differents in football and war, They are both challenges. Lets have Sudan and Iran have the same Nuke power as the USA.

    See how silly that sounds? College Football has never been even or fair, nor will it ever be. Alabama spent “Several Grand” to help Miami International University team and band come to the Capstone for a scheduled game a couple of years back. The point here is not all college are selfish with their funds and goes out of their way to help a new member of div 1-A get started.
    If all thing would be even this most likely would never happen and the new members would have to settle for less as in who to play and the amount the school would get paid. Just food for thought!

  12. 1) Heck, why dont we have an even playing field in our military with the world, so no one country has unfair advantage. What is the differents in football and war, They are both challenges. Lets have Sudan and Iran have the same Nuke power as the USA.

    See how silly that sounds? College Football has never been even or fair, nor will it ever be. Alabama spent “Several Grand” to help Miami International University team and band come to the Capstone for a scheduled game a couple of years back. The point here is not all college are selfish with their funds and goes out of their way to help a new member of div 1-A get started.
    If all thing would be even this most likely would never happen and the new members would have to settle for less as in who to play and the amount the school would get paid. Just food for thought!

    • I agree with you James. There are so many good things that schools do that never get noticed. Our time would be better spent encouraging all schools to be better agents of change within their respective communities than to encourage websites like these. This is nothing but a website started by a fan who wants his team to WIN.


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