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Official Oversigning Cup Update Thread

This is the official thread for the oversigning cup updates.  Please only post updates and numbers for the cup standings here.   Alabama fans that insist on arguing that there is nothing wrong with oversigning will be removed from this thread.  Please submit entries in the following format: Just include the numbers for each column in the cup along with any relevant links used in your research...roster charts, etc.  A brief explanation is fine, but nothing too long.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  

Update: Michigan State Fans. We have you at -1 based on this chart http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/94/2011-Football-Scholarship-Chart-726235/1; we need to confirm that you had a full 85 at the end of the season last year.  For now we are assuming that you had a full 85, if not then your cup points are just lower and you still have more room.  Please update if you can.

Arkansas Fans: Rivals has you at 28 verbal commitments; please explain you had 25 last year.  South Carolina, you have 28 verbals as well with 23 last year.

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  1. Texas_Dawg
    January 29th, 2011 - 00:28

    LSU should have its budget reduced by 2 for its self-imposed reductions:

    http://www.lsureveille.com/sports/lsu-docked-scholarships-faces-recruiting-dilemma-1.2449091

    Also, Georgia is now at 23 commits for 2011.

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  2. Steven Gardner
    January 29th, 2011 - 15:50

    Your numbers for USC are way off. You have a link to USC’s current players, yet you ignore it. First off, USC did not have 85 scholarship players last year. They had under 70, which was well known nationally. Before the spring semester, USC had 51 players on scholarship for the 2011 season.

    Of the 26 players listed for USC at the main recruiting sites, 9 are already enrolled at USC and are counted in the list you have from USCfootball.com. Those nine players count against USC’s 2010 class, which had only 14 actual scholarship players before the nine enrolled. That leaves 17 players for the 2011 class, not 26. The total on scholarship, if all enroll at USC, would be 77, not 85. One player already at USC, junior Brice Butler, has publicly stated he is leaving the school, which would put the total count at 76.

    I have enjoyed reading your site and the information it provides, but if you are as far off on other schools as you are on USC, the word will get out, and you will not be taken seriously.

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    • Joshua
      January 29th, 2011 - 17:36

      I appreciate the information and will update the board first chance I get; usc’s situation is unique and we want to get the numbers right…hence the asterisk. We will get this right. Please note, we are still dealing with verbal commitments so the numbers are fluid at this point. As to our ability to be accurate…we were dead on Alabama’s numbers last year and tracked wert move with precision. It is a time consuming task but it can be done. This year, to help the cause an engage readers, we are asking for help on covering more teams. Thanks for your help!!!

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  3. Anonymous
    January 29th, 2011 - 17:38

    Ron Zook’s brought the SEC oversigning practice to the Big 10. According to the link included below, they’re +23
    http://illinois.scout.com/a.z?s=169&p=9&c=16&yr=2010

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  4. Anonymous
    January 29th, 2011 - 17:41

    Also: Michigan now has a 20th scholarship to give with the transfer of Tate Forcier.

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    • caleb
      January 30th, 2011 - 15:53

      Michigan also has 17 verbals now rather than 12.

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      • Kurt C.
        February 2nd, 2011 - 21:12

        What? Why isn’t Michigan bashed since everyone knows the only reason a person transfers is to make room on the roster? What’s that? Oh, only Alabama does that? I’m sorry.

        That’s what makes this site a joke.

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  8. Sammy
    January 30th, 2011 - 18:19

    I don’t know if anyone here knows the situations well enough to get accurate numbers, but both Troy and Marshall seem to be oversigning. Troy is one of the worst offenders every year and Marshall usually oversigns by 3-5 and already has 29 commits.

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  9. SoccerMike
    January 30th, 2011 - 22:27

    UA commitment D Collins said he will sign with UA on Wednesday but take a grayshirt. So UA already has one before NSD saying he will grayshirt.

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  10. kumar
    January 31st, 2011 - 10:05

    Hi,
    Quick note. LSU had 85 scholarship at the begining of Spring 2010. With the departure of QB Zach Lee plus 11 seniors graduating plus 2 Juniors (PP and Steven Ridley) going to NFL it gives 14 budget and not 12.

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    • XbengalTiger
      February 1st, 2011 - 11:40

      Also, Drayton Calhoun has left the program… As usual the real numbers are not as important as making shit up. This site is a joke

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      • BetterRED
        February 1st, 2011 - 15:46

        again, no one has made up anything. You can go post who has left the program. If Drayton Calhoun has left the program and he was on scholarship, post the link documenting how he has left the program. The owner of this site does not post the numbers but the readers of this site do.

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  11. Go_Blue74
    January 31st, 2011 - 11:48

    I believe the Michigan numbers are off a little with attrition. I believe Michigan had two freshman transfer this season and puts there total count at 21. With the latest news on recruiting, I believe they are now standing at 16 commitments.

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  12. Ray
    January 31st, 2011 - 14:21

    FSU picked up a verbal. now at 25

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    • BetterRED
      January 31st, 2011 - 21:20

      LSU’s numbers are pretty easy actually. We know LSU was up to 85 last year because they were over budget last year and had to get down to 85. We know LSU had 12 total departures including juniors leaving early, so their budget is 12 scholarships to offer. They have 21 commits so that puts them over by 9.

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  14. NEB4USC
    January 31st, 2011 - 18:48

    Here’s a link which does a good job of clarifying USC’s scholarship count situation.

    http://usc.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=521&mid=154424543&sid=995&tid=154422188&style=1

    As I and other posters have noted, your counts for USC are way off. USC didn’t have anything near 85 scholarship players last season (in fact, they’ve been below 85 for several years running now). And 9 of the quoted “commits” are already in school and count against the 2010, not the 2011, class. With Butler transferring, USC may be +1 if all their commits do, in fact, sign Wednesday.

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    • Texas_Dawg
      January 31st, 2011 - 19:36

      Josh needs to let someone who has more time be in charge of regularly updating the numbers.

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      • BetterRED
        January 31st, 2011 - 21:06

        yes and Josh has already said these numbers arent final. USC just had a decomit but he is still considering them and 2 other schools. We will find out on signing day.

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        • BetterRED
          January 31st, 2011 - 22:14

          NEB4USC,
          I posted the original numbers assuming USC doesnt win their appeal. Even with the numbers you posted….IF they DONT win their appeal they will be over by 9 scholarships because it is assumed they are still reduced by 10 per year for 3 years. That is where we are right now.

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          • Buckskin
            February 1st, 2011 - 08:02

            Did you even read what he posted? 9 of their scholarships go against last years class meaning they are only signing 16 for this year (numbers are a bit fluid right now since no one has actually signed). Their stance is they can sign 20 if they win the appeal so they are recruiting on that basis.

            If they lose they will have to figure out what to do with the oversigned player(s). My guess is they have already spoken to a few of the lower ranked players and they will become grayshirts if they lose the appeal.

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          • Viterbi
            February 1st, 2011 - 14:07

            FYI, even if they don’t win the appeal since the outcome will not be before Feb 2nd, the sanctions will not count toward this year. But rather come into affect next year. Thus delaying the penalty by a year. This is confusing because the bowl ban penalty was already in effect this year, but this is because they are not appealing both years of the bowl ban, thus just taking the ban this year. So regardless of the outcome of the appeal, even if they sign every verbal recruit they have now, they will have a space for every one of them, thus by definition cannot be oversigning.
            But by Kiffin taking this approach is possibly screwing future classes, because next year it is entirely possible that they will 3 – 5 scholarships open before they hit the 75 player limit.
            Also I believe that the main issue is the most of the base numbers are incorrect. For example SPECs of 85 is clearly wrong, USC had much less 70 scholarship players last year. Also, the link on the right of the chart, which lists 60 scholarship players, has 9 players listed in this years class (4 freshman and 5 juniors) because of early enrollees. So this years players are 25-9 = 16, which will be above the limit of 15 but refer to my earlier comment on when the sanctions will actually be in-force.
            I understand that you probably got these comments before, so it is entirely possible that you just don’t want to waste time updating information before NLOI signing day because then you just have to start changing things anyways.

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    • socalpac12
      February 3rd, 2011 - 16:47

      SC signed 30…. 8 are early enrollees and count towards 2010…22 for this fall with one more potential commit (no LOI yet)…with this 30, SC will have 80 on scholarship (brice butler just transfered)

      http://www.usctrojans.com/ot/usc-11-signing-day.html

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  15. SoccerMike
    January 31st, 2011 - 21:46

    Question for an OSU fan. In the list it shows a JUCO for incoming, who is that. Just curious because I did not see a JUCO on any list.

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  16. Pete
    February 1st, 2011 - 11:44

    Ole Miss numbers.

    I posted this earlier, but I will attempt to provide links on everything so you can adjust. It’s hard to get a starting point, but Ole Miss awarded 3 walk ons scholarships last year, so it’s clear they were well under the 85 limit, but let’s assume that took them to 85.

    Here is Ole Miss’ 2010 roster.

    http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ole-m-footbl-mtt.html

    There are 19 seniors listed – of that, one was a walk on, Masoli was not on scholarship, and Kentrell Lockett will probably be awarded a 6th year due to medical reasons – so that is 16 seniors leaving opening up spots.

    In additioin to that, the following players have left the program during the season (not all of these players are listed on the roster above because it was updated, but they were all on scholarship at the opening of camp)

    Pat Patterson

    http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-sports/2010/07/pat_patterson_dismissed_from_ole_miss_football_team.html

    Tig Barksdale

    http://spiritradionetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5534%3Atouted-but-troubled-barksdale-booted-from-rebel-team&catid=39%3Atopix&Itemid=142

    Rishaw Johnson

    http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2010/09/10/ol-rishaw-johnson-dismissed-from-ole-miss-team/

    Tony Grimes – dismissal/leave not official yet, but rumored to not be with team

    http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2010/11/16/post-practice-notes-nutt-suspends-two-nix-gets-fired-up-lockett-11-update/

    Raymond Cotton

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/07/raymond_cotton_leaving_ole_mis.html

    Brandon Sanders – suspended at this point, but rumored to not be with team

    http://gridironfans.com/forums/sec-discussion/139547-ole-miss-dismisses-ol-rishaw-johnson-suspends.html

    Tim Simon – injured in 2009 – hasn’t played since, eligible for legit medical hardship

    http://www.collegefantasyfootballinsider.com/news/10971/Ole-Miss-loses-Tim-Simon-for-the-year

    Those 7 spots bring the “budget” up to 23.

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    • Pete
      February 1st, 2011 - 16:26

      One more player leaving Ole Miss.

      Rodney Scott – no link, but rumored to have left the program.

      That brings the budget up to 24.

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      • Texas_Dawg
        February 1st, 2011 - 21:34

        The Simon link simply says he is getting a medical redshirt. That’s not a medical DQ.

        Why so many undisclosed violations? Why so many players “rumored” to be leaving the team?

        Logan Gray announced he’s leaving Georgia today. In doing so, he explained why (graduation in May, moving to masters program elsewhere) and released a statement praising the school and coaches.

        Nick Williams is the only other Georgia transfer this year, and he publicly praised the coaches and said that he was told by Mark Richt he could have his scholarship back if he decides to return:

        http://georgia.247sports.com/Article/Nick-Williams-discusses-decision-to-transfer-10047

        Georgia had two disciplinary dismissals this year, but the reasons were widely known: Demetre Baker for a DUI and Marcus Dowtin (a much-needed LB for next year) for an assault arrest.

        http://jacksonville.com/sports/2010-09-26/story/georgia-player-demetre-baker-arrested-orange-park-native-teams-10th-arrest
        http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/jan/11/georgia-linebacker-marcus-dowtin-to-transfer/

        Why all this shady “rumored to be transferring” and “undisclosed violations” nonsense?

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        • Pete
          February 2nd, 2011 - 09:45

          I just grabbed the first link I could. The fact is that Simon is not on medical hardship yet, the hope was that he could come back and play. However, he is two years removed from the injury and suposedly still has nerve damage in his knee that does not allow him to have full control over his foot. But as of right now, he is still on football scholarship.

          The reason there are so many rumors is that I am not on the coaching staff. I’m just a fan. I do not know exactly what is going on and there is not always a press release. There are only three players that do not have a link supporting that they are no longer with the team.

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          • Texas_Dawg
            February 2nd, 2011 - 10:27

            OK. My point is that fans and reporters that actually care about people and the reputation of their university need to be a lot more critical of this stuff.

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            • Pete
              February 2nd, 2011 - 10:55

              agreed. Ole Miss has only give out one medical hardship that I know of in recent history. It was Kermit Tyler – he was found to have a weird alergy before he ever started practice. It wasn’t like he was being pushed out to make room for another.

              I hate the use of that to make room for new signees and I think the NCAA does need to look into it – maybe a medical deal has to be cleared by the NCAA.

              Ole Miss’ has had trouble with the 25 rule – never really the 85. They have had to ask some kids to grey shirt – some were warned before hand and they accepted that. However, this year, there are two kids that found out about it pretty late in the process and I hate to see that.

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  17. Paul
    February 1st, 2011 - 11:49

    Clemson should not be +2. They recently had two players transfer.

    Additionally, Clemson has 11 walk-ons that are not guaranteed scholarships in the fall. Clemson is one of the few program that is diligent about rewarding walk-ons. They are given scholarships on a year-to-year basis and pretty much mean Clemson will always be at 85 scholarships.

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  18. stupidwebsite
    February 1st, 2011 - 12:04

    is that a georgia kid transfering… of course, it has nothing to do with signing.

    http://georgia.247sports.com/Article/Logan-Gray-opts-for-transfer-13668

    Richt is putting together a nice class for Kirby Smart to take over next year.

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    • BetterRED
      February 1st, 2011 - 19:23

      its hard to accuse a team of making a kid transfer due to oversigning when that team is NOT a chronic oversigner. Georgia in not trying to make room on the march for 85 either. You just dont get it.

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      • guy in texas
        February 1st, 2011 - 20:29

        your right, i don’t get it.

        your entire logic is predicated on what you think is being told to kids. the rules as it stands right now, 85/25.

        screw the big ten, screw the Georgia fans who think they are better than the SEC, get outta the SEC if you don’t like it. not like you are fielding a competitive team anyways.

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        • Texas_Dawg
          February 1st, 2011 - 21:26

          Yeah, the numerous players that told the Wall Street Journal that Alabama forced them out or lied about why they left were all just lying.

          Good luck with that. But you are losing this battle.

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          • BetterRED
            February 2nd, 2011 - 12:24

            guy in Texas,
            I am not a Georgia fan for the record

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            • stupidwebsite
              February 2nd, 2011 - 13:34

              that comment about GA was directed at the other guy who keeps talking bad about the rest of the SEC. I’m not in a battle Dawg, just saying that you guys are spinning up stuff that you really don’t know about.

              just saying that the whole basis behind this site is grey shirts right?

              its bs that the kids are being held to a standard that is different than coaches, but lets not sit here and act like you know what Nick, Les or anyone else for that matter has told the kids.

              You are getting a kids perspective, who is probably selling some BS to a reporter for a story.

              example, you guys were quick to jump on Star Jackson getting thrown away. He was an Elite 11 QB who never started at Bama after a few years. Then went to a new football program and then was a 3rd string QB. my point here…if you aren’t cutting the mustard at a college, why should you get a free ride for 4 years.

              you step up and play, but there should be no guaranteed 4 year free ride, it doesn’t work that way in the real world and shouldn’t in college.

              now, kids should think about this when committing to a school and work their ass off to play, but if you are still 3rd string QB after 3 years and you have had 2 QB’s pass you by, no reason for a school to keep paying your way.

              85 / 25 scholarships renewed yearly.

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      • Texas_Dawg
        February 1st, 2011 - 21:24

        Logan Gray is graduating in May. He released a statement praising the coaches and the school and saying he is moving on to graduate school in the fall.

        Let’s see if all 10 Alabama transfers this spring/summer are the same.

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        • BetterRED
          February 2nd, 2011 - 19:29

          Georgia had a stellar class btw and didn’t oversign in the process.

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          • SoccerMike
            February 2nd, 2011 - 19:40

            They did not oversign because they failed to land 2 recruits today. According to every UGA insider they thought they would get J Pagan today which they sent him a NLI to sign and if he did that would have been number 26 and they sent one to T Jackson which would have been number 27. Just because they did not does not mean CMR did not try to oversign. I know someone will try and clarify it but the facts are facts UGA tried to sign 27 players into a 26 player recruiting budget.

            Now Texas Dawg will tell me I am being racist.

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          • Texas_Dawg
            February 2nd, 2011 - 19:44

            Mark Richt today, on trying to compete in an oversigning conference:

            “That it was one of those years in the state where we thought there was some elite players. One of the hardest things for us to do is to evaluate and nail down who you’re going to go after, especially in our own state. A lot of the out of state teams will just come in and just offer like mad. They’ll come in and just offer like candy. Quite frankly I’m not going to name names of schools, but a lot of them will do that just to get in the fight and if the kid commits too soon and they’re not sure they want, they’ll just tell them that’s not a committable offer. Whatever the heck that means? If we offer a kid in our state and he says he’s coming, we want to take him, OK? Sometimes we’re a little bit slower to offer maybe than some out of state schools. Sometimes that might hurt a kid’s feelings. Sometimes that might hurt a coach’s feelings. That’s not our intention. Our intention is to have integrity when we offer a kid and be able to follow through.”

            http://dogbytesonline.com/richt-says-11-class-his-most-talented-and-best-bunch-41855/

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            • SoccerMike
              February 2nd, 2011 - 19:50

              Yes UGA has a great class and anyone that follows recruiting would say it is a top 3 class but they still sent out more NLIs than they had room for today is my point. Now I understand the difference between UGA and the SEC west schools who oversign on a regular basis but the point they were willing to today and OSU did oversign today. It does not matter if it is the first time ever but it happened.

              Remember one over your budget is oversigning plain and simple UGA have 2 not sign their NLI they received so they did not but OSU signed more than their budget.

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            • stupidwebsite
              February 2nd, 2011 - 22:08

              great job Mark Richt, now get back to under-performing…

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  19. John
    February 1st, 2011 - 16:21

    Clemson is losing LB Brandon Maye and QB Kyle Parker along with Bowers, Harper, and the seniors. Clemson also had 4 players enroll early and 1 will greyshirt.

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    • BetterRED
      February 2nd, 2011 - 12:33

      You can post your numbers about a team if you provide the link of where you found it. You need to know what the budget of a particular team is in order to find their budget.

      Illinois has 26 commitments right now, they werent oversigned last year.

      http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/commitments/2011/illinois-26;_ylt=AvoKIRb5JRJNSVGn07g1wxdhs5B4

      This is the difference. Alabama has 23 commitments but they have been oversigning for years and trying to get down to 85 right before the deadline. Alabama is over 10 right now due to their small senior class and early entries (budget). I would be willing to be from here until next football season, for some odd reason Alabama will lose…..uhhhhh somewhere between 10-10 people.

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      • stupidwebsite
        February 2nd, 2011 - 13:35

        the point is 25 scholarships per year per NCAA, 26 is over 25 right?

        but i guess its different if its bama, lsu or some other school from SEC.

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        • BetterRED
          February 2nd, 2011 - 16:40

          yeah there can be 25 plus 1 if he greyshirts. Alabama is usually 3 or 4 over the 25 plus 10 over the 85. Just look at the numbers dude.

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  21. Tim Biddle
    February 1st, 2011 - 20:59

    This is great information and very telling. I would be very interested in seeing the same type of analysis for college baseball. Granted, HS players can be drafted and may sign coming out of high school even after signing a letter of intent. However, having one son who just finished playing D1 football and another that’s now playing D1 baseball, the issue are just as alarming in college baseball as they are in colleg football. Someone needs to shine the light a little brighter on college baseball.

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  22. stupidwebsite
    February 2nd, 2011 - 16:14

    from Coach Nick Saban presser today

    “We have never gotten rid of a player because of his ability. Any player who has left created his own exit route.”

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    • BetterRED
      February 2nd, 2011 - 16:46

      and you believe him? You are just like one of those young athletes he is telling whatever they want to hear to get them to Alabama. What Saban meant to say. ” We have never documented getting rid of a player because of his ability. We make up academic and behavior issues or hide them with a medical hardship. Any player who has left WE created an exit route.”

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      • stupidwebsite
        February 2nd, 2011 - 16:49

        nope, I believe you guys who know officially who is on scholarship and I believe the washed up kids that go on ESPN talking about how they were pushed aside.

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  23. BetterRED
    February 2nd, 2011 - 19:26

    Maybe this is the approach Saban, Miles, Nutt, Petrino, Spurrier and Mullen should live by instead of oversigning.

    “What we try to sell in the recruiting process – and it’s not as much a sell, it is fact – is what we’re trying is develop them for the rest of their life, so when they walk out of here they’re prepared for the next step in their life.

    “Along the way, we’re going to be committed to them, (and) we ask for a commitment from them in return. When you take that approach, you get the right kind of kids in your program, because they’re coming here for the right reasons.”

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    • SoccerMike
      February 2nd, 2011 - 19:35

      Stop the presses. If I read this chart correctly OSU recruiting budget was 22 and yet JT just stated he signed 23 and is still holding a spot for Carter which would make 24. He actually went on to say the class could still grow. OSU has oversigned!

      ———————————–
      During a news conference announcing Ohio State’s recruits on Wednesday afternoon, coach Jim Tressel began by saying the Buckeyes had signed 23 players “at this point.”

      Asked to clarify that reference, particularly as it referred to Carter, he said the class still might grow.

      ———————————–

      http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6083612

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      • Indybuckeye
        February 3rd, 2011 - 05:32

        Technically, only 22 of the current 23 count towards the 2011 numbers, thus meeting the budget of 22 currently. QB Cardale Jones is voluntarily taking a grayshirt this upcoming season (would have been 6th QB this year, will be 4th QB next year after 2 seniors graduate), so his scholarship count is going to go towards 2012 numbers. He had always wanted to be a Buckeye, so he was willing to delay enrollment until next year in order to become a Buckeye in the future. Instead of signing Jones and subsequently “cutting” a benchwarmer player (a la SEC West), nobody gets “cut” and Jones is the one who sits out. Seems like it works out a lot better going into signing day with a plan in place.

        As for Carter, I do not expect to see him in a Buckeye uniform in the future. The only way it may happen is if he goes the JUCO route for a year or two and tries again. I don’t see Tressel wanting another “black eye” player. Unfortunately, looking at their offensive line situation for the next few years, they may desperately need him. After this upcoming years senior linemen leave, it is starting to look like a MAC quality offensive line at best for the next 4-5 years…good thing Tressel likes mobile quarterbacks.

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        • SoccerMike
          February 3rd, 2011 - 13:45

          Now we can not justify how the signings happen. According to this site anyone that defends oversigning by talking about grayshirts, early departures, or whatsoever is called out for condoning oversigning. As Josh would put it the budget for NSD was 22 for OSU. OSU received and accepted 23 LOIs yesterday. CJT even said directly the roster could grow and they might still add Carter. Even wihout his direct quote that he basically is saying I might oversign. The 23 LOIs that OSU recieved is oversigning. It does not matter if they grayshirt as we have been told. Becuase if they sign a LOI OSU is required to honor and they still count.

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        • vesper
          February 3rd, 2011 - 18:34

          “I don’t know what prep school I’ll attend, but the OSU coaches are looking into it right now as we speak.”

          http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/3726471063251298430/glenville-has-appeal-on-signing-day-high-school-newswatch/

          Sounds like a sign and place.

          In the last 24 hours, we’ve seen Ohio State oversign and grayshirt/sign and place. All practices that this website has been ranting against (as long as it was in the SEC)

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        • Catch 5
          February 12th, 2011 - 22:26

          Alabama has had a few grayshirts every year, yet they have all counted against them in this “oversigning cup”. Now that OSU is using it, it appears not to count in that class. Odd that it would work like that. Last year, Bama grayshirted 2 players and had more agreeing to one if needed. When a few players transferred and did not qualify, they were allowed to move up to the current class.

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    • Texas_Dawg
      February 2nd, 2011 - 19:56

      Pat Fitzgerald today: “We had 17 scholarships to give.” (So Northwestern signed 17 players.)

      Nick Saban today: “Nobody really knows for sure how many guys we had on scholarship last year.”

      http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/saban_defends_practices_of_ove.html

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  24. SoccerMike
    February 2nd, 2011 - 20:16

    Here is a list of the 23 signed with OSU today and it does not include Carter who they might still add.

    http://cleveland.sbnation.com/ohio-st-buckeyes/2011/2/2/1971163/2011-ohio-state-football-recruiting-class-national-signing-day

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  25. BhamYo
    February 2nd, 2011 - 23:06

    Ole Miss signed 27 today. http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2011/02/02/signing-day-live-blog/#
    Floyd Raven signed with TX A&M.

    I am certain that Ole Miss was not at the 85 limit last season and if you factor in the departures (noted above), they have room for the full 25.

    Also, one of the signess (Marcus Mayers) dual signed with Jones County Junior College as he is not expected to qualify.

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  26. Texas_Dawg
    February 2nd, 2011 - 23:11

    South Carolina starts its purges early by completely screwing over a couple recruits from its massive, oversigned class:

    “To save a spot for Clowney and sign Atlanta-area linebacker Cedrick Cooper on Wednesday, the Gamecocks were forced to ask two recruits to wait to sign letters of intent. Atlanta-area defensive end Lorenzo Mauldin and Florida linebacker Jordan Montgomery have both been asked to hold off until the summer, when spots will likely become open because of prep school placements.”

    http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/feb/02/spurrier-happy-todays-commitments-still-waiting-cl/

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  27. Junny
    February 3rd, 2011 - 07:20

    Penn State received a 16th verbal (and then official) commit on Signing Day, pushing their number to +2.

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  28. Greg
    February 3rd, 2011 - 09:37

    Iowa signed 24 yesterday, putting them at -5 overall.

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  29. Trey
    February 3rd, 2011 - 11:17

    Texas is over by 2 at 87.

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  31. Robert Duhon
    February 3rd, 2011 - 18:22

    Here’s Florida numbers with a Link (finally). http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1185097

    84 SPEs (Minus Frankie Hammond)
    23 Departures
    24 Budget
    18 Verbals(Signed LOI)
    -6

    These numbers will likely change if our 2 FBs due indeed stop playing football due to injuries, and 1 of the spots will likely be filled by Hammond. But this is where we are as of now.

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  32. Steve Jorhanagan
    February 3rd, 2011 - 22:20

    Where is Troy?

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  33. Fluodableaple
    April 5th, 2011 - 14:11

    Can someone come apart me a connection to somewhere that I can hear and learn less sounds that the Canada goose makes. I lack it at once!

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