1. 

   huskyskins
   February 4th, 2011 - 15:05

   In case you needed it, according to this site:

   http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=3&blipid=13080

   Washington had a budget of 20 scholarships. They just signed 23, and had LOI’s out to at least four more (Jackson, Embot, Asiati, and Brissett).

   I’m an alum and bleed purple, so I’m very interested to see what happens with the current roster and the new signees to get back to 85. I would assume two or three current scholarship players will opt to transfer due to playing time. This has happened with several of Willingham’s holdovers over the past two years.

   I detest the blatant oversigning that results in cutting current scholarship players or forced grey-shirting. However, I also can understand how a team a couple of years removed from a coaching change (and a 0-12 record) and a recent history of 2-4 players per year transferring during or after spring ball, feeling the need for a buffer. For me, it’s not, “oh my god, he oversigned by three or four.” It’s how he handles the roster from here to August. I don’t know what he knows as far as medical issues and such. I guess we’ll all just see what happens over the next six months.

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     huskyskins
     February 4th, 2011 - 17:55

     I think that Tutogi is back counted to last year as he has already enrolled and is shown in that link above. Therefore, Washington should be at 22 for this class. Still two over their budget.

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     Texas_Dawg
     February 5th, 2011 - 00:38

     It’s easy to start making excuses. Demand more transparency from Washington. They should want to give it in order to not even come close to giving the appearance of being an SEC West type of cesspool.

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       huskyskins
       February 7th, 2011 - 16:55

       Ha!

       Luckily Sarkesian has been very transparent about all aspects of the roster. For his credit, so was Willingham before him. Willingham took the job facing a small graduating class. He only signed 9 players his first year that could qualify for Washington’s academic standards (UW doesn’t allow PE classes to count towards GPA for transfering JuCo students). His second year wasn’t much better – he signed only 12. During this process he instituted a policy of not renewing scholarships for 5th year seniors that had already graduated. It ruffled some feathers around here, but it was hard to weep for a kid that already graduated and wasn’t going to see the field. It didn’t really matter all that much in the long run. Those first two classes sealed his fate.

       Under Sarkesian it has been more difficult to ascertain his philosophy on oversigning because of the tremendous turnover that comes after a coaching change, especially after the program hit rock bottom. If he starts forcing grayshirts and “cutting” players, I’ll be his loudest critic. So far, that hasn’t happened.

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2. 

   huskyskins
   February 8th, 2011 - 15:29

   Another article about Washington’s scholarship situation confirms my last post.

   http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootballblog/2014157257_updated_scholarship_chart.html

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3. 

   huskyskins
   February 11th, 2011 - 22:22

   Washington’s LB Scott Lawyer is having shoulder surgery so he will grayshirt and enroll in January of 2012. That means UW is now only one over the scholarship limit for the 2011 season.

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4. 

   vesper
   April 9th, 2011 - 15:41

   Oklahoma had 12 scholarship seniors in 2010: http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/011011aaa.html

   Oklahoma State signed 27 + 1 greyshirt this past signing period: http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020310aab.html

   They lost 0 underclassmen to the draft.

   I don’t know for sure what their SPES was but they have signed 22+28+26+27=103 from ’07-’10 and they did greyshirt a player from their 2010 class. They do sign a good number of JUCOs so I’m sure that accounts for slightly inflated numbers.

   At any rate, I would think that a school that repeatedly signs 25+ and just signed 27+1 greyshirt with only 12 departing seniors might warrant some attention from this site, but then I realized that they’re not in the SEC.

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     vesper
     April 15th, 2011 - 20:08

     Oklahoma State basketball article:
     http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20100810_93_0_Senior251955

     Sidorakis has agreed to pay his own way to school and be a walk-on during his final season, according to coach Travis Ford.

     It’s a big assist because OSU had more players than scholarships. The Cowboys oversigned by two in their latest recruiting class. Post player Torin Walker, who spent his freshman season at OSU, transferred to Middle Tennessee State. And Sidorakis, a scholarship player during his first three seasons, solved the numbers problem by surrendering his scholarship.

     Ford, when asked if Sidorakis saved him from making a difficult decision, said, “I never really thought about it. It usually always works itself out. I never really got to that point.”

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   vesper
   April 9th, 2011 - 16:05

   Sticking with the Oklahoma theme, the Sooners were oversigned by 3 prior to the March transfer of Kevin Brent: http://blog.newsok.com/ou/2011/03/21/kevin-brent-to-transfer/

   Since Marcus Trice transfered earlier in March, it appears that Oklahoma was oversigned by 4 on NSD.

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     vesper
     April 9th, 2011 - 18:23

     Here’s a good article about Oklahoma attrition from 2009: http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20091111_92_B1_OUsChr671611

     “There’s a number of reasons,” Stoops said. “Some guys don’t want to go to class. Don’t want to work out. They want to set their own schedule. That generally, with a team of a hundred guys, doesn’t sit very well. Eventually, they’re dismissed. ‘OK, you don’t want to do it, then don’t do it. You need to go somewhere else.’”

     Of the 10 who left early, eight departed after playing or practicing for at least one full season. There have been tales of grueling treatment during offseason conditioning, and that happens to be when most of those players left.

     Then Stoops had this to say this year on NSD about the class size and how the roster will work out:

     “It will [work out.] It’s just like last night, one guy changes his mind, goes somewhere else so I feel good about it and it’s similar to what we’ve done in the past. So, I feel it’s where most everybody is these days and I feel comfortable about it.”

     http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/2011_signing_day.html

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       Joshua
       April 10th, 2011 - 08:52

       This is really good stuff…thanks for taking the time to research it and share it. It takes a lot of time to hunt that information down.

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6. 

   vesper
   April 9th, 2011 - 17:09

   Rounding out the Oklahoma schools, I count 11 non-SQ seniors on the 2010 Tulsa roster: http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/m-footbl-roster-2010.html

   Tulsa signed 23 on NSD: http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020211aav.html

   Plus, three greyshirts: http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/TU/article.aspx?subjectid=94&articleid=20110330_94_B5_CUTLIN330881&rss_lnk=94

   SPES=? But they did greyshirt 3 from the 2010 class and they signed 30+26+26+25=107 from ’07-’10.

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7. 

   vesper
   April 12th, 2011 - 18:23

   Rutgers +3

   Last month Rutgers announced that 24 future student athletes had signed letters of intent with the program. If each player makes it to campus (five are already enrolled in C Dallas Hendrikson, DE Djwany Mera, DT Ken Kirksey, DB Johnathan Aiken, and P Anthony DiPaula), that would mean being three scholarships over the NCAA-mandated limit of 85 barring further attrition.

   Last April, after spring practice, Rutgers was even higher over the limit. Being only three over at this time is hardly unprecedented in Piscataway or at other programs. In comparison this year’s total is a minor hindrance, and should not be much of a concern.

   http://www.onthebanks.com/2011/3/4/1924113/2011-rutgers-football-scholarship-count

   Here’s another blog entry on Rutgers’ 2010 numbers crunch. They were either +5 or +6 after spring practice and the departure of one scholly player meaning they were either +6 or +7 on NSD 2010.

   http://www.onthebanks.com/2010/4/16/1422909/updated-scholarship-count

   Here’s a good, factual, non-biased article on Rutgers football from 2008. It discusses player attrition and graduation rates:

   * Ten percent of the kids, or 12 of the 120 who received football scholarships from 2001-2005, never passed the NCAA’s minimum academic standards to play for Rutgers.

   * Twenty percent of the freshmen who did make it to campus between 2001-2004 were no longer on the roster after three years because of injuries, academic issues, or because they decided to transfer.

   * A little more than fifty percent of the players who arrived six years ago have degrees

   Coaches can’t pull a scholarship from a player who can’t cut it on the field. But when a player who isn’t good enough leaves, it helps the coaching staff because it frees up a scholarship to hand out to another hot high school prospect.

   It’s why major colleges bring in up to 25 players a year (the NCAA limit) but still have 85 or fewer in the five classes (including redshirt freshmen) currently at the school.

   A shakeout is expected. And Schiano says he doesn’t have to tell the players when it’s time to go.

   “The players usually know the situation before anyone has to tell them,” he said. “I’m honest with them though. Guys like that.”

   http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2008/03/wishing_on_stars_is_a_risky_bu.html

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     vesper
     August 6th, 2011 - 14:52

     http://www.onthebanks.com/2011/7/28/2301655/laryea-back-shimko-hayward-solice-out

     Quarterback Steve Shimko and Aaron Hayward will no longer count against the team’s 85-player scholarship limit due to injury, but will receive medical hardship waivers and retain their scholarships.

     Tight end Junior Solice is also leaving the program

     Needless to say, it is unlikely that Rutgers is still over the mandatory NCAA limit of 85 scholarships.

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8. 

   vesper
   April 13th, 2011 - 00:16

   I think it’s been shown that each of the BCS conferences oversigns…how about the Mountain West?

   Colorado State lost 17 seniors (although I’m pretty sure at least one was a walk-on) after the 2009 season: http://www.coloradoan.com/article/99999999/CSUZONE0502/50819009

   CSU signed 29 LOIs in 2010 per Rivals.com plus 1 transfer (Raymond Carter).

   CSU lost 17 seniors (15 listed plus 2 which were previously walk-ons) after the 2010 season: http://www.csurams.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/09-senior-bios.html

   CSU signed 27 LOIs in 2011 per Rivals.com.

   At his 2010 NSD press conference, the CSU head coach had this to say on roster limits:

   First of all, it’s impossible to crunch the numbers right now. The bottom line is come next season, when we’re under the NCAA rule, we have 85 scholarships and no more than 25 initials. We’ve always adhered to that rule. We will again this fall.

   What we don’t want to ever do is get caught under 85. We’re not spending the salary cap, so to speak. We’ll manage this and we’ll be under the NCAA rules when we start practice (in August).

   http://www.csurams.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020410aab.html

   It appears they suffered a lot of attrition after signing that large 2010 recruiting class, but I’ve been unable to confirm most of it because apparently no one really reports on CSU roster movement.

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9. 

   vesper
   April 22nd, 2011 - 00:10

   Kansas State had 21 non-SQ seniors in 2010: http://kansasstate.rivals.com/croster.asp

   They brought in 33 new players (32 listed in the link plus 1 late signee (Bo Tillman)): http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/signingday.html

   The 33 new players conisted of 27 from high school/JUCO, 3 grayshirts, and 3 transfers.

   This article indicates that they had to grayshirt players in 2009 and 2010 in order to stay within scholarship limits: http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-02-03/snyder_signs_diverse_class

   According to the sane article, the KSU 2010 class was made up of 28 new players (Rivals only lists 17) consisting of 17 high school/JUCO, 6 grayshirts, and 5 others who apparently joined the team from high school/JUCO during the 2010 season.

   I know you’ve been dismissive of KSU and ISU’s signing numbers because of the large number of JUCO players that they sign, but it looks like KSU is +11 to me.

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10. 

    vesper
    April 22nd, 2011 - 01:06

    According to UNLV’s online media guide, they had 20 non-SQ seniors on the 2010 roster.
    They brought in 26 players on NSD (23 from high school/JUCO, 3 grayshirts): http://www.unlvrebels.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020211aag.html

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11. 

    vesper
    May 6th, 2011 - 19:48

    USF = +4:

    USF could be over the limit this fall, with 68 players returning on scholarship from last season and 21 newcomers signed — four over the NCAA maximum of 85. But Holtz is anticipating normal offseason attrition and said that in the rare event everyone stays on the team, he has had conversations with “a couple” of signees who joined the team with the explicit understanding they might “grayshirt,” or defer their enrollment to January 2012, if the Bulls are maxed out on scholarships this fall.

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports/colleges/if-needed-usf-bulls-football-team-has-grayshirt-plan/1151792

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      vesper
      August 8th, 2011 - 01:07

      http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/article1184817.ece

      USF’s football team opened practice here on Sunday afternoon, but did so without two reserves who are no longer with the team, in sophomore running back Dontae Aycock and freshman defensive end Brandon Wilkinson.

      One has to wonder if USF will have to clear more space if they win the recruiting battle for recent Ohio State outcast, James Louis.

      Louis would sit out the 2011 season and then have three years of eligibility. He said he did not think USF had any available scholarships until January — it’s unclear whether Sunday’s news that Dontae Aycock and Brandon Wilkinson have left the team would change this

      http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/ohio-state-transfer-wr-louis-has-bulls-short-list

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12. 

    vesper
    May 19th, 2011 - 08:49

    Virginia = +8 on NSD (+6 after 2 transfers)

    WITH THE DEPARTURE of Green and Detrick, Virginia has a total of 91 scholarship underclassmen and 2011 signees – six above the Division I-A limit.

    http://blogs.roanoke.com/insiders/2011/03/page/2/

    Wisconsin = +1

    Brown’s transfer will also help the Badgers, who were sitting at 86 scholarships — one over the 85 scholarship limit

    http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2011/5/17/2176359/zach-brown-to-leave-badgers-transfer-elsewhere

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      Catch 5
      May 19th, 2011 - 12:09

      There may be some confusion as to Wisky’s current count as EDSBS says they still need two more to leave in order to pick up anyone else (meaning that they are still one over). Of course they go on to insinuate that a B10 team would cut a player to make room if needed, and we all know that behavior is only found in the SEC so that whole report is quite questionable…

      http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/5/18/2176864/the-curious-index-05-18-2011#storyjump

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      vesper
      May 20th, 2011 - 18:12

      More on Viriginia from ESPN’s ACC blog:

      Roster cuts. London needs to trim the roster to meet the NCAA’s 85-scholarship limit, and he has not determined how he plans to do that yet. If Devin Wallace does not return from his suspension, that will make one less — and one less starter on defense. London has not yet released a number on how many fifth-year seniors will be invited back. Different scenarios could transpire in the next few months to get this question answered, as some players might not qualify and will have to attend prep school.

      http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/24082/virginia-spring-wrap-2

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    vesper
    May 19th, 2011 - 11:47

    Oregon State = +7

    Scholarship Players at Beginning of season: 85 – http://oregonstate.scout.com/3/scholarship_count.html
    SPES: 83 (Tuimalealiifano – medical, Tyler Thomas – dismissed)
    Departures: 19 seniors (includes Mitchel Hunt who went on medical during the season) + 1 early departure for the draft (Jacquizz Rodgers) = 20
    Budget: 22 – 5 grayshirts (Romaine, Storey, Thompson, Ward, Welch) = 17
    Signed: 24 (http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020211aab.html)
    Points: +7

    Oregon State’s head coach, Mike Riley, played for Alabama in the ’70′s so I’m sure you could work that angle somehow.

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      vesper
      August 6th, 2011 - 15:10

      Through all the changes, the Beavers met the 85 scholarship limit

      http://www.democratherald.com/sports/article_0bb3fba1-c027-5603-9081-5f282a53c23b.html

      Colin Lyons – medical
      Michael Bibbee – transferred to JUCO due to grades
      Dax Dilbeck – left team after injury
      Elisinoa Aluesi – Mormon mission
      d’Vante Henry – failed to qualify (JUCO)

      Plus a few other players whose status with the team is undecided due to grades, legal issues, or injuries

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14. 

    vesper
    May 20th, 2011 - 23:57

    Purdue = +3

    SPES: 84 (11 seniors plus the following 73* returning players: http://www.hammerandrails.com/2010/12/20/1887061/purdue-football-recruiting-just-how-many-guys-do-we-need)
    Departures: 11 seniors + 1 transfer (X. Reese) = 12
    Budget: 13
    Signed: 16 (http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/signing-day-2011.html)
    Points: +3

    * The link shows 74 returning scholarship players but assumes that a senior walk-on (Adam Brockman) will be awarded a scholarship. I couldn’t bring myself to go along with that assumption and went with the more conservative number 73

    May explain why Pudue pulled AJ King’s scholarship offer.

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15. 

    vesper
    May 21st, 2011 - 11:00

    Texas = +2

    SPES: 84
    Departures: 20 = 15 seniors + 1 junior to the draft + 1 medical + 3 left team
    Budget: 20 = 21 – 1 (Tevin Jackson: http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020811aaa.html)
    Signed: 22
    Points: +2

    Source: http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/1/20/1946228/2012-class-and-sholarship-limits

    Oversigned by 2 last year too:

    Same thing happened last year, we were over by 2 until Carter and Wells and transferred, I assume another 1 or 2 players will do the same this year.

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      vesper
      June 14th, 2011 - 18:02

      WR Greg Timmons is transferring from Texas:

      The loss is not unexpected, as Timmons was a primary attrition candidate following the spring. With the news of his impending transfer, Grambling State is the school receiving the most mention as the likely landing spot. As for Texas, the decision puts the Longhorns one over the 85-man scholarship limit from the fall with several more players likely to leave campus before the start of the season. It also puts Texas one scholarship closer to having enough room for the 2012 class, which currently has 14 scholarships available at this time. In other words, this was a decision that will likely benefit both Timmons and the Longhorns

      http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/6/7/2211936/greg-timmons-reportedly-will-transfer-from-texas

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    vesper
    May 21st, 2011 - 11:48

    Vanderbilt = +5

    SPES: 82
    Departures: 13 = 11 seniors (from official roster) + 2 quit (T. Herndon, R. van Rensburg)
    Budget: 16
    Signed: 21
    Points: +5

    http://moral-victory.blogspot.com/2011/02/vanderbilt-is-now-five-football.html

    Isn’t Vanderbilt supposed to be one of the virtuous non-oversigners from the SEC East? Of course, Florida is too and they oversigned in 2010. We’ve already established that most of the Big Ten oversigns, and Mark Richt defended the use of oversigning in conjunction with conditional grayshirts. It’s one thing to speak out against oversigning, it’s a whole other thing to actually not practice it.

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17. 

    Catch 5
    August 6th, 2011 - 18:32

    Why are none of the teams Vesper has identified being included on the board? He has supplied a lot of data, and this site has asked for this information, so why is it not being used?

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