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Quick Numbers Comparison B1G and SEC

Just some quick numbers while we work on the cup standings and getting caught up on all the activity this week.

The SEC signed 47 more players than the Big 10 this year.  With the average Big 10 class sitting at 20 recruits, that is enough extra recruits for 2.35 Big 10 schools; in other words, the 291 recruits the SEC signed would be enough to supply roughly 14.5 Big 10 schools with the conference average class size.  With each school averaging 4 more players, if you extend that for 4 years, each SEC school would have signed on average 16 more players over a four year period, which is just slightly less than the average recruiting class size in the Big 10.  So basically, the SEC is working their way through 5 recruiting classes in 4 years.  Guys don't pan out, some don't qualify, some run into the Nick Saban medical hardship machine, and others decide that Georgia State is where they always dreamed of playing.  It would be one thing if this was an anomaly, but the historical data shows that this has been the case for some time.

2011 Recruiting Numbers - Players Signed - Big 10 & SEC

B1G Signed   SEC Signed
Illinois 27   South Carolina 30
Iowa 23   Arkansas 30
Ohio State 23   Tennessee 27
Minnesota 22   Mississippi 27
Indiana 21   Georgia 25
Michigan State 21   Auburn 24
Wisconsin 20   Kentucky 24
Michigan 20   LSU 22
Nebraska 19   Miss State 22
Northwestern 17   Alabama 22
Penn State 16   Vanderbilt 21
Purdue 15   Florida 18
Total 244   Total 292
Average 20   Average 24

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  1. What’s the rate of academic qualification for Big 10 recruits versus SEC? It seems to me more SEC kids end up diverting to two-year campuses than Big 10. That could be some of the discrepancy right there.

    The averages are interesting. The Big 10 average over 4 years (80) leaves 5 scholarships on the table. The SEC average over 4 years (96) ends up 11 over. Losing 11 out of 96 kids (11.45%) over 4 years to academics, injury, discipline issues, or dissatisfaction with playing time hardly seems outrageous.

    • And why in the world would any program leave 5 scholarships unfilled? That seems a waste.

      • They don’t, you are forgetting about 5th year redshirt guys and the 1 year scholarships that are given to deserving walk-ons; also, you are forgetting that schools that don oversign have to target guys that they know will qualify and that they know will fill their needs, in some cases, if a school can’t find that guy in the current class they will bank a scholarship for next year if they have a target that will fit that bill. The counter argument that defenders of oversigning make is that this rob borderline kids of an educational opportunity; what they fail to realize is that atudies ate being conducted on JuCO graduation rates and high risk graduation rates an according to B1G asst commissioner, these kids are not as successful as the 4 year candidates and those without a problem qualifying. The thing people miss and is so frustrating is that kids need to get the message that being successful in college does not start when you get there, you have to be prepared for it in advance.

        • Post via iPhone…sorry about typos

        • Wow, a study that shows that kids that have a more difficult time qualifying are not as successfull as those that breeze in? Is that the kind of research that gets the B10 its reputation? I could tell you that without a study. The difference is that the SEC feels that they should still be able to go to school should they qualify. The B10 attitude is tough luck. If you can’t get by the B10 high standards, you don’t belong in any Div I school and we’ll denigrade anybody who tried to encourage these kids to come there.

        • Your arguement is pretty poor…. if a kid knows what he’s being offered and he is ok with it, I see no reason why he can’t/or shouldn’t be allowed to defer his enrollment as a greyshirt. He’s counted in the next years class as he joins the team the next year.

          Some kids need that time to develope, sometimes it’s because there is no room but the kid wants to go to that school and is willing to wait.

          There is nothing wrong or bad about greyshirting IF it is done with upfront and with the kids knowledge. I would agree, a hidden greyshirt offer isn’t good.

      • Actually, O/S’s numbers show Minnesota ended the year at 74 scholarships and Michigan at 80. Did they run off 16 players during the season? Lose them to injury? Academic casualties? Transfers? Or did they start their season with fewer scholarship players? Were they on probation? If not, why would anyone purposely leave so many scholarships unused? Doesn’t that simultaneously hurt the team and deny 16 kids a chance at a college education?

        It just seems odd.

    • Academics, your statistics are averages over the whole which is not particularly meaningful in the context of oversigning. It is much more informative to isolate the schools that oversign from those that do not. The 11.45% would become much more gaudy if schools such as georgia,florida, vandy etc. were left out.

      Josh, this table doesn’t mean much until you can tell us the number of available scholarships to those signed. In any given year, there could be more openings available in one conference versus the next. This table only infers a problem exists, it doesn’t prove anything.

      • Of course there’s no context. The post original post discusses the significance of the averages, extends the 3.92 per year per team difference over 4 years, and concludes that amounts to an extra signing class every 4 years. I was simply offering alternative interpretations to that particular data set.

        There’s rarely context to any of the numbers discussed in this issue. It’s usually just X > Y, so X must be cheating.

    • WAIT JUST A SECOND!! What’s missing here is each team’s/conference “budget”. Without that data this table is incomplete & lasks factual validity re oversigning. Put another way the table fails to discount those schools who didn’t oversign their butget.

      I’m not defending oversigning and the offenders deserve to be exposed and the practce stopped. But this table is just plain bad math and bad conclusion.

  2. Plenty of choices of issues to discuss, from the notorious SEC, to the USC/Disney-ESPN-Kiffen — sure, now “suffering” from restrictions imposed on mere humans.

    Fortunately for USC Trojans, they have no effect on the superhuman SC Trojans which were limited to “no more 13 games” but escaped imposition (NCAA: would have imposed a terrible consequence on the opponent, U Hawaii).

    Now, USC Trojans were reported to have restrictions on new recruits, but brazenly signed 31 and have the nation’s greatest, and no one is worried because they are still awaiting news of OJ on the search for the real killer, and everyone wants to have the same benefits of Reggie including $25,000 hubcaps on his classic car…. want to be just like Reggie, live just like Jarrett, etc., and ESPN says everything is okey-doke and greatest of all time.

    • Haters gonna hate…

    • USC didn’t oversign.

      They had 51 returning due to a lot of transfers since the NCAA allowed players to transfer without having to sit out a year.

      They signed 29 to end up at 80.

      • According to Rivals ranking of signing classes, SCal signed 31. And that was BEFORE Anderson from Miami which would make 32. So is there an NCAA rule about 25 per year, or 28 per year, or not? Is there an NCAA penalty on SCal imposing MINUS 10 or SCal asking for only MINUS 5, or not? How do 32 signed LOIs match with 25-10=15 or 25-5=20?

  3. bama, lsu, ole miss, miss state,… bet the numbers would be much worse if you split the SEC in half… only SC in the east..

  4. “and others decide that Georgia State is where they always dreamed of playing”

    Like Antonio Henton? No, that was Georgia Southern; totally different situation. I’m sure he had always dreamed of playing for the mighty GSU Eagles and Tressel’s pleas for him to stay at OSU fell on deaf ears.

    • Because 3rd/4th string QBs NEVER transfer for PT. First time ever.

    • Guess you don’t know that AH had been arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover Columbus Police Dept. white female cop. Can’t tell the diff between a white female cop and a streetwalker? Must be the fault of his JawJaw education. Let’s cut the education funding until this crap comes under control.

  5. Using your numbers, 4 or the 7 Big Ten schools listed in your cup standings on the sidebar are oversigned (Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan).

    • Your defense of the SEC is to attack the Big Ten. Brilliant.

      How about comparing the SEC’s recruiting/scholarship retention practices with, say, Notre Dame?

      [crickets]

      • And this would be the converse to attacking southern kids who aren’t at the academic level of their peers abover the Mason-Dixon line?

        • How does Notre Dame “attack” southern kids?

          (This oughta be good….)

        • Also, how did your above reply serve to justify the practice of oversigning?

          You appear to be having an argument with someone else besides me, as I have not “attacked” southern kids and cannot fathom that you would think Notre Dame “attacks” southern kids. Would you now like to attempt to justify the SEC’s recruiting/scholarship retention practices in comparison with Notre Dame? How does oversigning help academically the kids “who aren’t at the academic level of their peers abover [sic] the Mason-Dixon line”?

      • All institutions who wish to play the “only kids who take AP classes get to play college football” card are welcome to petition for their own division. Vandy, Wake, ND, Northwestern – it’ll be a hoot. And another annual feather towards Stanford’s inevitable Presidents Cup victory.

        • “only kids who take AP classes get to play college football”

          Please show me where I stated such a thing.

          Please explain what this has to do with the practice of oversigning.

          • “Would you now like to attempt to justify the SEC’s recruiting/scholarship retention practices in comparison with Notre Dame?”

            Clarify, please.

            • Christ almighty. Try to follow the argument please.

              Vesper responded to criticism of oversigning by SEC schools by pointing out that the Big 10 has 4 schools that oversigned. I replied that bitching about the Big 10 oversigning does not exonerate the SEC’s, and perhaps he’d like to justify the SEC’s sign ‘n purge approach to recruiting/scholarship retention in comparison to a school that does not (and never has) practiced oversigning, like Notre Dame.

              Your first response was to argue against an assertion I did not make (“only kids who take AP classes get to play college football”). Would you like to try again?

              • I did project the tendency of some on this site to slip into comparisons of “Southern” and “Northern” education, as well as average SAT scores and other entrance metrics, onto your post. I apologize.

      • I must’ve misread the title of this blog post. I thought for sure it said “Quick Numbers Comparison B1G and SEC”. I totally missed the part about Notre Dame.

        • I must’ve missed the title of this blog. I thought for sure it was a criticism of oversigning. I totally missed the part about how it’s OK if you can point out that another conference’s members do it less egregiously, and can completely ignore the example of those who don’t at all.

          But hey, spin away.

          • Is this the first day you’ve ever read this blog? I ask because if you have been reading it for more than one day you would know that Josh (the guy who runs the site) regurlarly criticizes the SEC for being responsible for all that is wrong in the world while extolling The Big Ten for being examples of all that is right in the world (this blog entry by the way (“Quick Numbers Comaprison B1G and SEC”), is one illustration of what I’m talking about)). Given that context, I think the fact that several Big Ten schools themselves oversign is relevant and should be pointed out (and somehow I doubt that Josh is going to point it out). Not to mention the fact that this particular blog entry lists signing numbers by the Big Ten and not Notre Dame.

            On a side note, when you asked “stupidwebsite” in a different thread to cite a single example of you dismissing a post in which OSU or Illinois is called out for oversigning…well, count up 10 posts from this one.

  6. I make no defense for Bammer, LSPugh, Ol Piss, or So. Crackolina, oversigning. It should be stopped.

    Georgia, however, signed right on the number to bring it up to 85 ttl. given that Dawgs have 60 returnees which includes 2 early enrollees back-counted to to fill athletic scholarships of mid-year graduating seniors. (NCAA legal per Jan 2011 convention)

    You’re painting with a little too broad a brush here. In 11 years I don’t believe Coach Richt has ever oversigned & he goes after kids who his staff believes will/have qualified.

    Bash the offenders but in fairness acknowledge those schools who don’t exceed their budget.

    • too bad he doesnt go after kids who cant stay away from being arrested.

      • LOL! Hey, they’re good studints – they just can’t drive scooters. Topic for another board but compare the “arresting” offenses in Athens to, say, Gainesville like the Orlando Sentinel did. Read their article. Not defending bad kids but when you really examine the subject there isn’t much there. Sad some kids get labeled in the process, too.

        UGA police are deputized as Athens/Clarke County police & known as the Campus Gestapo. They arrest everyone for absolutely anything then let the Clarke County court sort it out. Zero tolerance. Nada. Check out both the number of campus arrests and 1st offender arrests in Gainesville, Knoxville, or Tusky, for comparisons. UGA is aobut 4 times higher for like number of stops.

        • Wait, are you trying to pretend UF players get arrested for “real” offenses while Georgia players get arrested for any old thing? Because for all the talk of “thugs” that some people like to throw around, the UF and Georgia player arrests are both about 75% driving without a license-type things. I know at UF there were only about 7 out of those 30 or whatever arrests that were actual serious felony-type offenses, and they all got kicked off the team, and rightly so.

          But I also know that one player got arrested for taking a boot off his parked car, and one got arrested for throwing a sandwich. So if you want to talk about different standards for what constitutes an arrestable offense and whether football players get away with more at certain schools, PLEASE do, because I’m pretty positive places like Alabama and Auburn aren’t sitting there with the most ethical of kids. But don’t pick UF, because we are in the same boat you guys are. Those B.S. arrests are the sole reason Georgia and Florida are #1 and #2 in arrests over the past 5 or 6 years. It’s not because horrible criminal kids are going there.

    • You do realize UGA had 2 kids that were sent NLIs but signed elsewhere. You also realize that it looks like UGA will sign Jenkins this Saturday. That will put them 1 over budget if as you say with their current budget brings them to 85. I gues my question is if UGA and CMR is not willing to oversign why are they still after Jenkins.

      • I don’t think that is correct. I believe UGA has at least 1 extra slot with the Logan Gray transfer. I think even without that UGA had space for one more as Nick Williams decided to transfer much earlier.

        • I am just replying to his post where he says UGA is at 85 now. If so and they add Jenkins they will be over. I know they also sent Pagan and Jackson a LOI that neither signed.

          • It’s true that UGA was seemingly close to oversigning this year, but the more recent transfers and recruits choosing other schools had opened scholarships, that is why Tre Jackson was offered the day before signing.

            If you follow UGA recruiting you will see that they are very particular about offering scholarships and often hold scholarships for certain people or positions. when they realize that recruit wont sign, they offer the scholarship to some one else.

            You can look at the recruitment of Xzavier Ward as an example, UGA offered him early but he was not ready to commit they withdrew the scholarship and offered it to Richardson and Taylor Gadbois before re-offering.

            Crowells’ recruitment is another example of UGA’s methods. They left his scholarship open to him to commit until the end without offering another RB because they only wanted one RB this year.

          • It’s hilarious to watch you try and muddy the waters in attempt to obfuscate the morally reprehensible behavior you support.

            So pathetic.

      • Relax! Included in UGA’s 2011 class of 25 are 2 early enrollees using backcounted schollys of graduating redshirt seniors who elected to not return for their 5th year of elgibility. Because these 2 weren’t on campus last year as part of the ’10 class, the NCAA says they must be accounted for in the ’11 class.

        The total of ’11 “inititial counters” equals really equals 23 with 60 returnees including the 2 mentioned above, thus 83 total as of today.

        When UGA signs Jenkns this Saturday its ’11 class of initial counters will then rise to 24 making it one to the good with 84 total athletic schollys.

        Further, there are at least two ’11 signees in grade qualifying purgatory and, just like every other Div I team, several players are recovering from surgeries & injuries. Historically there have been casualties during spring practice as well.

        There is no NCAA reg on number of LOI’s sent by an institution. Any school who thinks they are in the running for a last minute announcement does it. It’s whether the recruit returns it that matters.

        UGA has not oversigned & is nowhere near the Bammer, PSU, or Ol Miss, of the world.

  7. Here’s a different perspective that alot of you won’t like, but it is valid.

    To my knowledge (admittedly, I have’t read every post or comment), you guys never complain about the TOTAL UNFAIRNESS in other NCAA sports. Check the scholarship limits for men’s sports at the NCAA website.

    Take men’s Track and Field/Cross-country for example: 12.6 scholarships are available for the entire team (or two teams in this case, but that’s another issue…). How do you give out 0.6 of a scholly? That’s not a typo — they get 12.6 schollys to divide among 15, 20, 25, or however many athletes they decide to recruit! (Some other sports: baseball 11.7, golf 4.5, lacrosse 12.6, soccer 9.9, etc.) Many “scholarship-athletes” are only getting a FRACTION of a scholly! (Also, Football is the only sport where schollys are not allowed to be split among several team members.)

    So, a football players sucks it up for two years and doesn’t get his scholly renewed. How is that different from the soccer player played hard for all four years, but only had 0.5 of a scholly to start with? They each got two years of scholly, right?

    Who cares if BAMA occasionally cuts a football player — he got more scholarship in 1/2/3 years on the team than most other “scholarship-athletes” on campus. Talk to some other athletes in other sports — none of them are going to have any sympathy for a FB player who gets his scholly non-renewed.

    • lol…tell me the last time a soccer program produced revenue or even supported their own program. Football supports them all. They should be thanking the football players for the.5 they get…get out of here…lol…your perspective is silly…

    • What is far more ridiculous than all that is the fact that you’ll be lucky to get a fraction of an ACADEMIC scholarship…at a SCHOOL. People act like universities are minor-league athletic organizations. The sports are there because of the school; the school is not there because of the sports.

      Be valedictorian of your high school and get a scholarship for full tuition. Room and board and all other expenses? Good luck, you’re on your own.

      Be dumb as a rock but good at football? Oh, surely now YOU are the one who deserves to get a full ride to college. It’s beyond absurd and unfair.

  8. Is it not a bigger advantage for the SEC to be competing with rosters consisting mostly of semi-pro athletes with no interest in obtaining a college degree?

  9. Wow this site is as bias as FOX NEWS and MSNBC! Leaving out crucial facts and misrepresenting quotes from some of college footballs greatest coaches. The oversigning cup……gimme a break! S#!T happens and good coaches prepare their program for that.

    • please be respectful…this isn’t a yahoo board…

      • Yes, be respectful, unless you’re going to bash southern kids, SEC coaches, SEC fans, or this general areana, in which case feel free to open up with both barrels.

        • just talking about the cursing..its ok to be critical. i wonder why you defend unethical practices?

          • I’m curious, just because it’s taken as a given at this point and seems subject to revision as we go. Where exactly does the breach of ethics occur?

            • Consider a kid being told:

              “I’ve found someone of greater potential use than you on the football field, so he’s going to have your scholarship next year. You’re on your own as far as the completion of your education is concerned.”

              For a university to tell this to anyone is reprehensible.

              [This is why the invective hurled at Saban, Nutt, etc. is better directed towards the presidents and boards of their employing universities.]

              • Good. Now, identify one kid at Alabama that has happened to. By name, please. We know the Elliott Porter story at LSU, and that sort of thing is just wrong.

                • The ‘head in the sand’ approach from Bama supporters is truly sad.

                  As SI’s Mandel points out (in his article today), “Saban is magically able to project exactly how many such players will run amok (or transfer, or whatever – GR) each year so he knows how many scholarships he can afford to give out to recruits.”

                  If you believe this, then your willful blindness is astonishing.

                  Bama’s 10 over the limit now. If Clowney defies expectations and signs with Bama, who loses their scholarship? Is this how a university is supposed to operate?

                  • I am not an Alabama fan, believe it or not. Tar Heel, born and bred. But how is my head in the sand if you cannot name a single kid by name that the Evil Nicktator has abused and banished?

                    I do believe a coach can know with a fair level of certainty how many players are struggling academically or thinking about transferring. I do think a coach at a school like Alabama can recruit high level players from affluent families with the understanding that they might pay a year or two out of their own pocket if the team needs an extra scholarship for someone with more pressing financial needs – and the families, being multi-generational Alabama fans, have no problem with it. I see it in the basketball programs at Duke and UNC to a lesser degree.

                    Mandel’s position, which you cite, makes numerous assumptions to achieve its cynicism. It’s a 105 man roster. There’s more flexibility in that than you might imagine.

                    • I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

                      I have read a lot of attempts at innocent explanations as to how these oversigning programs will get their number of scholarship players down to 85; your second paragraph’s is similar to what Notre Dame could do with Nate Montana this season if Brian Kelly wanted to and the university brass signed off on it.

                      I think in regards to Mandel and Saban that Mandel’s cynicism is what fueled his assumptions. Given Saban’s previous evasiveness on this issue, a certain amount of cynicism is to be reasonably expected. Whether Mandel’s amount is excessive will be a matter of dispute between us.

                      Take care,

                      GR

  10. You should include a table of New Years day bowl records. 0-5 for the big ten. The Sec’s average could have supplied all Big Ten schools with enough bowl wins on new years day to more than cover them.

    • I see you pick and choose your stats carefully. Yippee skippy, the SEC was .500 in their bowls this season. Now try Arkansas’ all-time record vs. the Big Ten. Or Penn State’s all-time record vs. the SEC.

    • How does citing win-loss records help in any way to defend against the charge that the SEC’s practice of oversigning places football wins ahead of the education of its student-athletes?

      • How many fans of your school show up and cheer the student-athletes at graduation? I bet it is the same number as my school.

        • Do you really consider this to be an argument in favor of oversigning? Are you wishing to argue that the money a university’s football program brings in excuses unethical behavior by that program?

          You do realize that you’re supporting my position and not yours, right?

  11. I am not disagreeing that certain coaches work the recruiting system to their advantage, treating the student-athlete as interchangeable cogs in the machine (more than they already are by the NCAA system) and at the expense of other universities who play by the rules (either real or ethical). Of course, I also have a problem with coaches who look the other way on a star player who was shopped by his father so they can compete for a national championship; by a school that petitions to have several starters suspended the following season instead of their bowl game so that they stand a better chance of not losing once again in a BCS bowl; of a coach who is thin on the defensive line and therefore chooses not to suspend his star defensive end for drug-related violations until they play the directional school; and countless other gray ethical areas (where you feel one way if it is your team and another if it is not).

    However, this website is on “oversigning” and so I will speak for one school (South Carolina) on that subject. My intent is try to provide some details that go beyond the “one number” approach that paints with a wide brush (and in my opinion, incorrectly so in many cases). While this type of information may not be available for all schools, many have it because there are dedicated fan websites that track a lot of detail about a school’s athletic programs (gamecockcentral.com is one such site and the source of much of this info).

    To begin, this blog rolls out the number “30” signings and without additional details, various people utilize this number to case dispersions on SC specifically and the SEC in general. First of all, let me correct the starting number, as it is currently 31 and could rise to 32 if we sign Clowney. Of those 32, four actually signed and enrolled in January. These four “count-back” to last year’s class, which only had 18 enrollees (signings of 23 but only 18 made it to campus). Consequently, SC complies with the 28 signees rule. Of course, only 25 of these 28 can actually enroll (how they get there, I will outline shortly).

    More important is the “budget” that is generated by the 85 scholarship limit. SC ended the season with 77 players on scholarship. They lost 18 after the season (16 to graduation, 1 to early entry and 1 transfer) so their budget is 26. Four of those were taken by the January enrollees so that leaves 22 scholarships for 28 signees (or +6 as this site likes to use in the standings). How will SC solve the issue?

    1. Several of the 28 offers will not have the required academics and will not enroll (they will be placed in juco or prep school).
    2. Two of the signees are good high school baseball players and depending upon their draft status, may choose to go that route
    3. Two walk-ons who were placed on scholarship last year may not have their scholarships renewed
    4. Existing players leave school due to academics
    5. Members of the incoming class are asked to grayshirt
    6. Existing players take medical exemptions
    7. Existing players quit or transfer

    SC must have some combination of 1, 2 and 5 in order to get down from 28 to 25 and some combination of all to solve the +6 issue. Although I cannot anticipate all the shots that will be taken at the post, I will try to anticipate some in each category.

    1. Many people believe the practice of allowing players to sign even if they don’t have their academics in order is wrong. I do agree that it could lead to bad situations if the coaching staff doesn’t judge numbers correctly and the “at-risk” qualifiers are not fully apprised of potential options (like grayshirting). However, these coaches are paid (and you as a fan) expect them to get the best football players they can that meet the minimum threshold for being a student at your university. Given the option of getting a 4-star football player with a C+ average over a 2-star football player with an A average, the coach is always going to take the first guy. If Jim Tressel goes 7-5 for the next 4 years in a row, there is not an OSU fan out there that will use academics and graduation rates as a defense to keep him as your coach.
    3. Before someone tries to equate taking a walk-on’s scholarship is the same as a normal scholarship athlete, I will point out that Spurrier tells these walk-ons it is a 1-year award. I would also point out that Spurrier has awarded 22 scholarships to walk-ons over his 6 years, at a rate that is only slightly less (3.67 to 4.0 per year) than Jim Tressel. I have used this data elsewhere to support that Spurrier is not the type of coach who is actively running off players like Saban is purportedly doing (so that he can fill scholarships with walk-ons).
    5. Definitely a possibility, although Spurrier has only 3 for his six-year tenure. Is that excessive? Yes, if even one kid was not communicated to properly during the process and no, if they were and chose to stay with SC.
    6. Spurrier has had 5 of these over his 6 years. Is that too many? At least two of these were well-documented chronic situations that happened to players who were a starter in one case and an active contributor in the other. I have no idea about the other 4 and whether they were legitimate or not.
    7. I have to chuckle at the commentary on these. At their base, ALL transfers are forced out regardless of school and situation. Yes, it is reprehensible if a coach directly tells a player to transfer (or uses actions to do so) but even a player who chooses to leave because he is #4 on the depth chart is technically being forced to leave by the coaching staff (lack of playing time is the #1 reason any kid quits a team or sport, from Pee Wee up though college). Inevitably, if the latter player leaves your school, the coaching staff did nothing wrong; but if he leaves my school, my coach is a scumbag. Oh, and by the way, the guy who leaves almost without exception feels he wasn’t treated fairly by the coaching staff (some are just more vocal than others).


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