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	<description>Where 30 + 29 + 28 + 32 = 85</description>
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		<title>By: PadsC</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-8111</link>
		<dc:creator>PadsC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you keep including Auburn. Gene Chizik has not oversigned, we have been under 85 since he got here and will be significantly under this year with all the attrition(injuries, arrests, early departures, we only signed 24 this year). Tubberville got sloppy and lazy at the end but that was the past. To keep lumping Auburn in with oversigners is a bit sloppy on your part. If Chizik starts oversigning, then by all means throw us under the bus, but until then you are spreading falsehoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you keep including Auburn. Gene Chizik has not oversigned, we have been under 85 since he got here and will be significantly under this year with all the attrition(injuries, arrests, early departures, we only signed 24 this year). Tubberville got sloppy and lazy at the end but that was the past. To keep lumping Auburn in with oversigners is a bit sloppy on your part. If Chizik starts oversigning, then by all means throw us under the bus, but until then you are spreading falsehoods.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-7986</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oversigning.com hates the underprivileged</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oversigning.com hates the underprivileged</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-7985</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not cut and paste anywhere, i wrote the article and posted it on other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not cut and paste anywhere, i wrote the article and posted it on other sites.</p>
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		<title>By: octavian</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-7418</link>
		<dc:creator>octavian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What&#039;s right for student athletes&quot;: a very noble sounding phrase. 
I suggest you talk with a few recruiters. Most will tell you that almost all these kids are very street wise. They - especially the good ones - play the recruiting game for all its worth. 

By what stretch of logic do you jump from segregation and marital rape to &quot;oversigning&quot;? The first were laws enforced  by the coercive power of the state. The second was (is) and act of physical violence.
If you can&#039;t see the difference between #1 and #2 and &quot;oversigning, the university you attended cheated you. 
And lynching was never legal. The horror is it stems from its complete illegality. 

What values? Yours are - and I still refer to Harold Abrahams statement - &quot;the archaic values of the prep school playground.&quot; 

These &quot;principles&quot; of yours have been concocted in your own mind, brotha.
And thank God I&#039;m not in your league, whatever that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s right for student athletes&#8221;: a very noble sounding phrase.<br />
I suggest you talk with a few recruiters. Most will tell you that almost all these kids are very street wise. They &#8211; especially the good ones &#8211; play the recruiting game for all its worth. </p>
<p>By what stretch of logic do you jump from segregation and marital rape to &#8220;oversigning&#8221;? The first were laws enforced  by the coercive power of the state. The second was (is) and act of physical violence.<br />
If you can&#8217;t see the difference between #1 and #2 and &#8220;oversigning, the university you attended cheated you.<br />
And lynching was never legal. The horror is it stems from its complete illegality. </p>
<p>What values? Yours are &#8211; and I still refer to Harold Abrahams statement &#8211; &#8220;the archaic values of the prep school playground.&#8221; </p>
<p>These &#8220;principles&#8221; of yours have been concocted in your own mind, brotha.<br />
And thank God I&#8217;m not in your league, whatever that is.</p>
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		<title>By: JMan</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-7417</link>
		<dc:creator>JMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fair to whom? Certainly, I agree that the Big Ten schools have put themselves at a disadvantage, but the disadvantage is slef-imposed.&quot;

This just goes to show that we&#039;re looking at this issue from two completely different levels of perspective.  You think this is about being fair to the Big Ten?! Ha. This has nothing to do with the Big Ten.

It&#039;s about being doing what&#039;s right for the student-athletes.


&quot;If no one has broken the rule, you have nothing to complain of.&quot;
&quot;College footbal is about winning (within the rules) – as is college basketball, baseball, field hockey, lacross, etc.&quot;


Yeah, well segregation, marital rape, and lynching were all within the rules at one time.  That didn&#039;t make them ok. You&#039;re way out of your league, brotha.  This conversation ain&#039;t about football.  It&#039;s about values and principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fair to whom? Certainly, I agree that the Big Ten schools have put themselves at a disadvantage, but the disadvantage is slef-imposed.&#8221;</p>
<p>This just goes to show that we&#8217;re looking at this issue from two completely different levels of perspective.  You think this is about being fair to the Big Ten?! Ha. This has nothing to do with the Big Ten.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about being doing what&#8217;s right for the student-athletes.</p>
<p>&#8220;If no one has broken the rule, you have nothing to complain of.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;College footbal is about winning (within the rules) – as is college basketball, baseball, field hockey, lacross, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, well segregation, marital rape, and lynching were all within the rules at one time.  That didn&#8217;t make them ok. You&#8217;re way out of your league, brotha.  This conversation ain&#8217;t about football.  It&#8217;s about values and principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious. This is what happens anyone brings up a tangential topic (and you should look up the meaning of tangential if you don&#039;t understand it) where the Big Ten is a transgressor--&quot;that&#039;s not relevant to the SEC bashing that we&#039;re doing here&quot;. Seems we have another debate team member that will also be a victim of oversigning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious. This is what happens anyone brings up a tangential topic (and you should look up the meaning of tangential if you don&#8217;t understand it) where the Big Ten is a transgressor&#8211;&#8221;that&#8217;s not relevant to the SEC bashing that we&#8217;re doing here&#8221;. Seems we have another debate team member that will also be a victim of oversigning.</p>
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		<title>By: octavian</title>
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		<dc:creator>octavian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If no one has broken the rule, you have nothing to complain of.
Fair to whom? Certainly, I agree that the Big Ten schools have put themselves at a disadvantage, but the disadvantage is slef-imposed.

The status of Division I college football in relation to pro football is irrelevant. Each sport stands on its own.

Of course, these athletes are students first. If they could not be enrolled, if they did not go to class, if they do pass their class work, they cannot play. But they are more than simple. average students who happen to have certain physical skills, given the fact that they receive the potential (not the actual but the potential) for a free college education in exchange for sweat.
Any other view is naive and unrealistic. 

College footbal is about winning (within the rules) - as is college basketball, baseball, field hockey, lacross, etc. 

Please go back and read my post about the exchange between Harold Abrahams and the Cambridge dons. Your post read as silly as do their censures of Abrahams. 

Save the philosophy for Berkeley coffee houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If no one has broken the rule, you have nothing to complain of.<br />
Fair to whom? Certainly, I agree that the Big Ten schools have put themselves at a disadvantage, but the disadvantage is slef-imposed.</p>
<p>The status of Division I college football in relation to pro football is irrelevant. Each sport stands on its own.</p>
<p>Of course, these athletes are students first. If they could not be enrolled, if they did not go to class, if they do pass their class work, they cannot play. But they are more than simple. average students who happen to have certain physical skills, given the fact that they receive the potential (not the actual but the potential) for a free college education in exchange for sweat.<br />
Any other view is naive and unrealistic. </p>
<p>College footbal is about winning (within the rules) &#8211; as is college basketball, baseball, field hockey, lacross, etc. </p>
<p>Please go back and read my post about the exchange between Harold Abrahams and the Cambridge dons. Your post read as silly as do their censures of Abrahams. </p>
<p>Save the philosophy for Berkeley coffee houses.</p>
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		<title>By: huskyskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>huskyskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crime rate, training practices, graduation rates, etc. have nothing directly to do with oversigning.  Until you can prove a link you are just making the &quot;my school does bad stuff, but so does yours&quot; argument.  Where&#039;s that get us?

I continually read posts that boil down to nothing more than that, and it really detracts from the actual debate - on both sides.  If people could refrain from the name-calling and misdirection, a true debate could be had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crime rate, training practices, graduation rates, etc. have nothing directly to do with oversigning.  Until you can prove a link you are just making the &#8220;my school does bad stuff, but so does yours&#8221; argument.  Where&#8217;s that get us?</p>
<p>I continually read posts that boil down to nothing more than that, and it really detracts from the actual debate &#8211; on both sides.  If people could refrain from the name-calling and misdirection, a true debate could be had.</p>
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		<title>By: 78Lion</title>
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		<dc:creator>78Lion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were no drugs in their system from a blood test.  Other test might yield different results.


Compelling evidence?  Transfers that I know of:

Jewel Hampton - wasn&#039;t going to get medical clearance after two years worth of knee injuries and want to continue playing.

Wegher took a year off from the team to deal with personal issues and decided it would be best to leave the state. 

Suspensions:

Robinson has been in trouble for the better part of his career, suspended multiple times and finally kicked off the team.  

DJK - suspended for the bowl game - senior with no further playing time.

That&#039;s three running backs on a team with 4.  They had to play their bowl game with 1 running back on the roster, a true frosh.

That&#039;s your compelling evidence of roster management at Iowa?  Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were no drugs in their system from a blood test.  Other test might yield different results.</p>
<p>Compelling evidence?  Transfers that I know of:</p>
<p>Jewel Hampton &#8211; wasn&#8217;t going to get medical clearance after two years worth of knee injuries and want to continue playing.</p>
<p>Wegher took a year off from the team to deal with personal issues and decided it would be best to leave the state. </p>
<p>Suspensions:</p>
<p>Robinson has been in trouble for the better part of his career, suspended multiple times and finally kicked off the team.  </p>
<p>DJK &#8211; suspended for the bowl game &#8211; senior with no further playing time.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s three running backs on a team with 4.  They had to play their bowl game with 1 running back on the roster, a true frosh.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s your compelling evidence of roster management at Iowa?  Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the big 10 rule sucks. Why? Because you don&#039;t understand it. Please explain how the B1G rule &quot;hurts&quot; players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the big 10 rule sucks. Why? Because you don&#8217;t understand it. Please explain how the B1G rule &#8220;hurts&#8221; players.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. Because Iowa and Michigan&#039;s behavior was CLEARLY motivated by oversigning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. Because Iowa and Michigan&#8217;s behavior was CLEARLY motivated by oversigning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: In the Middle (Tar Heel)</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Middle (Tar Heel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Works great at Iowa, doesn&#039;t it? Michigan, too.

TD, check the number of suspensions and transfers for Iowa in the 8 weeks after the end of the regular season and prior to Signing Day. Bears a strong resemblance to the March to 85, doesn&#039;t?

And no, if you don&#039;t care about the kids, then middle ground remains entirely unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Works great at Iowa, doesn&#8217;t it? Michigan, too.</p>
<p>TD, check the number of suspensions and transfers for Iowa in the 8 weeks after the end of the regular season and prior to Signing Day. Bears a strong resemblance to the March to 85, doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>And no, if you don&#8217;t care about the kids, then middle ground remains entirely unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: In the Middle (Tar Heel)</title>
		<link>http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/03/02/oversigning-time-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-7369</link>
		<dc:creator>In the Middle (Tar Heel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13, not 18. Brain fart. Sorry.

Not sure what you mean by that relative to the blood test. There were no drugs in the kids&#039; system.

Dennis Dodd thinks they might be able to transfer, if they pursue it with the NCAA. No clear precedent on that one - an expert called it &quot;a coin flip&quot; - and who&#039;s going to push it with a coach hanging a scholarship over their head?

Iowa again had several December and January suspensions and transfers this year -- seems to be an annual ritual. Iowa was conducting these workouts in January in advance of Signing Day. Iowa remains compelling evidence of how roster management might work in a system of caps effective as of Signing Day.

I am not saying this justifies oversigning. But oversigning doesn&#039;t justify turning a blind eye to this sort of thing, which seems to resemble the very &quot;upstream&quot; abuses that critics of the Big 10 Rule predict and that Joshua assures us he will turn his attention once the SEC adopts said Big 10 Rule.

My point remains -- you&#039;re not eliminating any abuses. You&#039;re just rearranging the furniture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13, not 18. Brain fart. Sorry.</p>
<p>Not sure what you mean by that relative to the blood test. There were no drugs in the kids&#8217; system.</p>
<p>Dennis Dodd thinks they might be able to transfer, if they pursue it with the NCAA. No clear precedent on that one &#8211; an expert called it &#8220;a coin flip&#8221; &#8211; and who&#8217;s going to push it with a coach hanging a scholarship over their head?</p>
<p>Iowa again had several December and January suspensions and transfers this year &#8212; seems to be an annual ritual. Iowa was conducting these workouts in January in advance of Signing Day. Iowa remains compelling evidence of how roster management might work in a system of caps effective as of Signing Day.</p>
<p>I am not saying this justifies oversigning. But oversigning doesn&#8217;t justify turning a blind eye to this sort of thing, which seems to resemble the very &#8220;upstream&#8221; abuses that critics of the Big 10 Rule predict and that Joshua assures us he will turn his attention once the SEC adopts said Big 10 Rule.</p>
<p>My point remains &#8212; you&#8217;re not eliminating any abuses. You&#8217;re just rearranging the furniture.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to fact check before your next cut and paste from other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to fact check before your next cut and paste from other sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Hilarious fiction writing.</description>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should people want &quot;middle ground&quot; when the solution is so obvious and has been shown to work very well in the Big 10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should people want &#8220;middle ground&#8221; when the solution is so obvious and has been shown to work very well in the Big 10?</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida might be able to launch its own network.  Georgia can&#039;t.  Not enough captive eyeballs. 

Texas is its own monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida might be able to launch its own network.  Georgia can&#8217;t.  Not enough captive eyeballs. </p>
<p>Texas is its own monster.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Texas legislature angle has been overdone.  It stems from a myth that developed after the SWC&#039;s implosion.

The University of Texas can do whatever it wants, and there isn&#039;t a political coalition in the state that could stop it.  It didn&#039;t go to the B1G or Pac 10 b/c it didn&#039;t want to.  It wanted its own Network and that is now being built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Texas legislature angle has been overdone.  It stems from a myth that developed after the SWC&#8217;s implosion.</p>
<p>The University of Texas can do whatever it wants, and there isn&#8217;t a political coalition in the state that could stop it.  It didn&#8217;t go to the B1G or Pac 10 b/c it didn&#8217;t want to.  It wanted its own Network and that is now being built.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas stood to make a ton more money via its own Network.

Notre Dame will likely attempt to launch the same in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas stood to make a ton more money via its own Network.</p>
<p>Notre Dame will likely attempt to launch the same in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  UGA and GT could be a huge battle for B1G inclusion down the road.  The B1G is going to 16 in the future.  The model for the Network is just too simple.  And Atlanta sits there as a huge college media market.  

GT has the academic edge (AAU member as of 2010), but Georgia has Florida and Vandy that could team up as a 3-man team that would gut the SEC, the B1G&#039;s biggest rival in the battle for national media dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  UGA and GT could be a huge battle for B1G inclusion down the road.  The B1G is going to 16 in the future.  The model for the Network is just too simple.  And Atlanta sits there as a huge college media market.  </p>
<p>GT has the academic edge (AAU member as of 2010), but Georgia has Florida and Vandy that could team up as a 3-man team that would gut the SEC, the B1G&#8217;s biggest rival in the battle for national media dollars.</p>
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