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Official Oversigning.com Twitter Account

We put this off for as long as humanly possible, but the time has finally come to start using twitter.  Just to eliminate any confusion, there is a twitter account called Oversigning that has been around for a while and belongs to a reader of our site who is a strong advocate for banning oversigning in the SEC.  The creation of our twitter account is not meant to diminish his efforts in any way, we just felt we needed to have an official presence on twitter and to use it to send out links to articles, brief messages when we don't have time to post something, or retweet messages relevant to oversigning. 

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  1. Texas_Dawg
    March 27th, 2011 - 18:40

    Good deal, Josh. I think this will help clear up confusion. And I think you’ll find Twitter to be a great help in your info gathering.

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  2. Texas_Dawg
    March 27th, 2011 - 21:18

    Robby Green and Brandon Moore are the latest Alabama suspensions for undisclosed reasons. (Is there a team in the country that has more undisclosed violations suspensions and dismissals than Alabama and Auburn have?)

    Anyway, apparently whatever Green and Moore did was significantly worse than being out at night clubs till 5am with people wanted for arrest on cocaine possession and assault charges and then repeatedly attempting to derail police seeking to arrest such criminals.

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      • Texas_Dawg
        March 28th, 2011 - 16:06

        Your point?

        Notice that with Ealey’s suspension announcement Mark Richt specifically said that Ealey would be allowed back on the team if he continued to meet certain rules.

        Saban’s suspensions don’t include such statements for obvious reasons.

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        • vesper
          March 28th, 2011 - 17:51

          My point is that Richt suspends players for undisclosed violation of team rules as well. If you are going to claim that Alabama has more such suspensions than any other team, then back it up. How many has Alabama had per year under Saban? What is the average number of suspensions per year of a college football team?

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          • Texas_Dawg
            March 29th, 2011 - 00:10

            So you have 1 from Richt that was announced with the caveat that the player had been given clear steps he could take to rejoin the team, which he then did very shortly thereafter.

            Saban’s “undisclosed violations” DISMISSALS at Alabama:

            Rod Woodson (2010)
            Jermaine Preyear (2009)
            Alonzo Lawrence (2009)
            Prince Hall (2009)
            Brandon Fanney (2009)
            Tarence Farmer (2008)
            Alex Stadler (2007)

            And that doesn’t even count a boatload of transfers to academic resume and career resources downgrades that Saban has chased players off to with the utterly bogus “playing time” lottery game.

            Try to find 7 undisclosed reasons dismissals from any other team over that stretch. I don’t even know of one at Georgia.

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            • Catch 5
              March 29th, 2011 - 09:17

              Walter Hill – 2008
              http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=214071

              Montez Robinson – 2010? (article doesn’t have a date, but he played in 2009)
              http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/040410aaa.html

              Michael Lemon – 2008
              http://www.wrdw.com/sports/regionalheadlines/25428414.html

              You’re right, I could only find three in my quick google search. Of course there were several others kicked off for very public arrests, but “undisclosed” being part of the requirement I guess those don’t count.

              Funny how the majority of the players dismissed from Bama are guys with attitude problems stemming from the previous coach’s lack of discipline. Let’s see if Saban’s guys continue this trend or not – it has certainly slowed down now. Kinda like when Richt finally started kicking guys off the team for their DUIs – they stopped getting arrested.

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            • Catch 5
              March 29th, 2011 - 09:54

              So which is it?

              And that doesn’t even count a boatload of transfers to academic resume and career resources downgrades that Saban has chased players off to…

              or

              That’s why oversigning is almost entirely confined to the Deep South and relatively weak universities.

              So is Alabama a weak university or one with better academic and career resources?

              It’s not like I’m reaching deep into the annals of history to dig two quotes out of context and years apart. You posted these two statments eight minutes apart! Perhaps you can explain how a school can be weak and strong at the same time – or perhaps we can agree that you just make up whatever you need in your desperate search for an argument.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 30th, 2011 - 19:16

                Relatively weak compared to national universities. Still better than the even poorer schools the players are chased off to.

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            • vesper
              March 29th, 2011 - 10:09

              Woodson, Farmer, and Stadler were not dismissed from the team. I suggest you recheck your facts.

              In addition to the UGA players that Catch 5 listed, here are a couple more from other programs:

              Scott Haughton – Iowa State
              Josh Murray – North Dakota
              Boubacar Cissoko – Michigan
              Bug Wright – Arizona
              Jamar Reeves – Wofford
              Rob Williams – Wofford
              Jarmon Fortson – Florida State
              Tim Dandridge – Minnesota
              Eric Smith – Auburn
              Glenn Winston – Michigan State
              Roderick Jenrette – Michigan State
              Kenneth Page – Clemson
              Shiloah Te’o – BYU
              Quentin Castille – Nebraska
              Jonathan Dowling – Florida
              Mike Ford – USF
              Kellen Lewis – Indiana
              Perry Jackson – San Diego State
              Chris Jackson – Georgia Tech
              Kavario Middleton – Washington
              Jamere Holland – Oregon
              Justin Feagin – Michigan
              Dontae Aycock – Auburn
              Marcus Curry – Navy
              AJ Dugat – Houston
              Ari Tatum – Houston
              Leslie Stirrups – USF
              Jeremy Broadway – Oklahoma State
              Scott Noble – James Madison
              Patrick Patterson – Mississippi
              EJ Carter – Syracuse
              Jarvis Jones – LSU
              Josh Jarboe – Troy
              Ahmed Shakoor – Marshall
              Chris Head – Marshall
              Harry – Adams – Auburn
              Chevon Walker – Eastern Illinois
              Colin Luczynski – Eastern Illinois
              Eric Rettke – Eastern Illinois

              Those were pretty much all in the last couple of years. In addition, five UCONN players were dismissed for violation of team rules in 2006.
              And let’s not forget that Zach Mettenberger was booted for…wait for it…”violation of team rules”. We know about his arrest, but that earned him a one game suspension. He later violated an unspecified team rule which lead to his dismissal – http://www.redandblack.com/2010/04/18/richt-ousts-qb-for-rules-violation-mettenberger-dismissed/

              So, let’s not pretend that dismissal for violation of team rules is some kind of rarity in college football.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 30th, 2011 - 19:40

                “Woodson, Farmer, and Stadler were not dismissed from the team. I suggest you recheck your facts.”

                Sigh…

                Saban, on Woodson:

                “I don’t really feel it’s a problem, when you have people in the organization who aren’t accountable, how not having one would affect anything,” Saban said. “We cannot make decisions about the future of players who aren’t accountable for what they’re supposed to do and not responsible to what they’re supposed to do as a member of this team, regardless of what they issue is, behavioral, academic, football-related.

                http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/safety_rod_woodson_no_longer_w.html

                And of course the dismissal came shortly before the deadline day to be at 85.

                Saban, on Stadler:

                “Well, it’s family business, like always,” Saban said. “But we have rules and policies that everybody has to abide by relative to everybody’s responsibility to be on the team, and it’s everybody’s choice and decision to do that or not to do that. He had the opportunity.”

                http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2007/10/what_happened_with_stadler.html

                And as I noted above with Lemon and Robinson, Mettenberger was dismissed shortly after a very serious arrest. That isn’t the case with any of the players I listed above.

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                • vesper
                  March 30th, 2011 - 20:11

                  With respect to Woodson and Stadler, I still don’t see anything about a dismissal or “violation of team rules”. That is what we’re looking for, correct?

                  In Woodson’s case, his transfer was “mutually agreed” on. How can a player be dismissed mutually?

                  With Stadler, you have even less of a case. Here is the quote from Stadler’s father:

                  “Alex Stadler has made the decision to transfer from the University of Alabama at the end of the semester. We appreciate and thank the university for the opportunity afforded Alex to attend this institution and be a part of this program. Alex met with Coach Saban, and he has agreed to grant Alex’s request to transfer at the end of the semester.”

                  Since you didn’t bother to mention Farmer, I assume that you are conceeding that you were incorrect with your initial characterization of his departure from the program.

                  And as I noted above, Mettenberger was suspended for a minimum of 1 game for his arrest. He was booted a month and a half after his arrest for violation of team rules. It’s believed that he lied to Richt about the incident that led to his arrest, but we don’t know that for a fact because Richt never specified which team rule he violated.

                  At any rate, I’ve demonstrated with my post above that dismissals for violation of team rules happen at most, if not every, football program in the country. Your attempts to portray it as something unique to Alabama have failed miserably.

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            • In the Middle (Tar Heel)
              March 29th, 2011 - 11:51

              Nice. Two threads ago you’re citing 4 of these players as evidence that Saban lies because they insisted they were transferring on their own. Now you’re citing them as evidence Saban dismissed them. But hey, whatever suits your argument of the moment, right?

              I did some research. Fanney and Hall were starters who had been suspended in separate incidents prior to their dismissals. Last I saw, both were playing professionally, which completely undercuts your “Saban gets rid of the least talented” argument. Whoops.

              Preyear ran back 3 kickoffs for Alabama State in 2009 and disappeared from their roster in 2010. I’m assuming he didn’t make his grades. Lawrence was transferring from Southern Miss to a juco, which his high school coach referred to as his “last chance” in a recent news article.

              Doesn’t take much to figure out what happened with these 4, does it? But apparently you’d feel better with a press release, a lie detector, and some sodium thiopental for all involved parties?

              I am not defending oversigning. I just make a point to point out your inconsistencies and convenient omissions wherever I encounter them.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 30th, 2011 - 19:23

                No, you absolutely are defending oversigning, as always, which is why you just posted this terrible argument filled with errors, distortions, and downplaying of the realities of what such transfers involve.

                The official reason given for the 4 dismissed in 2009 was undisclosed violations. Whatever the validity of that, THAT was the reason given and that is the question at hand.

                And of course these players usually don’t last at their new schools. Suddenly all the covering that was being done for them at the bigger schools is removed and they wake up in totally new places and don’t last. That’s exactly what Saban & Co. bank on. I’m pretty sure you know this, so it’s interesting that you support them in doing this.

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                • In the Middle (Tar Heel)
                  March 30th, 2011 - 20:37

                  I don’t support them. I never said I did. Apparently you have a reading comprehension issue, which would explain a lot.

                  Again – I’m pointing out that you twist the available facts to suit your argument of the moment. One minute you’re saying he threw them off the team because he’s a mean man, and the next you’re saying the players left on their own and that Saban lied when he suggested they were in fact dismissed. Pick one. Stick with it. It’s not hard to do.

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            • brian
              March 29th, 2011 - 20:08

              You are not even close at being a good liar but I know you want stop. It is truly sad and pathetic.

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            • Charlie9
              March 29th, 2011 - 22:11

              TD,
              I’d say that Saban’s no-nonsense approach is producing better teams than Richt’s 35-strikes-and-you’re-out approach. Georgia might be in better shape if Richt eliminated some of the habitual lawbreakers.

              If you’re a parent, which team do you want your kid playing for?

              Team A) Keep your nose clean or you’re out; we don’t tolerate nonsense. We won’t keep room for thugs, thieves, etc. on our team.

              Team B) We’ll take anyone who knows what to do with a football… as long as you gain more yards than you do arrests.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 30th, 2011 - 19:49

                No nonsense?

                Mark Barron didn’t even receive a suspension after attempting to derail the arrest of someone he was hanging out with who was wanted for felony drug possession, assault, and fleeing the scene of an early morning accident.

                Courtney Upshaw was allowed to stay and not even suspended after being arrested for domestic violence (just a few weeks after the WSJ 4 were purged via “undisclosed violations” to get to the 85 limit at deadline).

                Brandon Deaderick was arrested for criminal mischief and lying to police (apparently a popular pastime at Alabama) and also was allowed to stay. (Now he’s moved on to being suspended in the NFL.)

                I think you meant “no nonsense” with the players who aren’t needed.

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    • Bathel
      March 28th, 2011 - 08:29

      TD, Robby Green is serving a suspensions that dates back to last season where he was suspended for the entire year. He is/was a starter for Alabama and a very needed player last year. I don’t think his suspension is something to be taken lightly. I do not think he has been cleared to come back yet to the team… I don’t know what he did to get suspended, but I would say it wasn’t a small thing. Alabama was EXTREAMLY thin at his posstion last year, starting a walkon.

      As for Brandon Moore, I don’t know any of the details regarding him… although I think he’s a needed palyer on the Dline… Darius left for the NFL and Murphy has a knee injury right now.

      Personally, I don’t think it should be public knowledge why kids are suspended. I do think there is an internal UA review board that does look at these things… at least there used to be when I was on scholarship at UA.

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      • BetterRED
        March 28th, 2011 - 10:17

        did that walk-on who was starting receive a scholarship?

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        • Bathel
          March 28th, 2011 - 12:25

          I don’t know… Alabama doesn’t post it’s scholarship list so I can’t say for sure. He will get playing time this year again as Bama is still a bit young at that position, but I wouldn’t have any way to know if he was granted a Scholarship or not.

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          • Texas_Dawg
            March 28th, 2011 - 16:04

            Interesting that Alabama doesn’t give out such information as most other schools do. Especially with walk-on award announcements which are an additional reward for a player’s hard work and accomplishment.

            Alabama now, Alabama tomorrow, Alabama forever.

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            • vesper
              March 28th, 2011 - 17:40

              Show one example of a school providing a list of scholarship players.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 28th, 2011 - 20:21

                Many schools make it known when walk-ons receive full scholarships. Not necessarily by official announcement but through coaches in press conferences, through the players themselves letting (and being allowed to let) reporters know, etc.

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            • Bathel
              March 28th, 2011 - 17:43

              I don’t get your point… is it any of our business who is or isn’t on Scholarship?

              Alabama provides that information to the NCAA as they are required, I don’t see where it is any of my business if a kid is on scholarship or not. If they choose to tell me, fine… if not, fine.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 28th, 2011 - 20:22

                Of course you don’t. Because possible wrong-doing is of zero concern to you here. Thus you couldn’t care less if Alabama, as the only school redacting total scholarship numbers on info requests, is hiding wrong-doing via its lack of transparency.

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            • brian
              March 29th, 2011 - 20:10

              Liar today, liar tomorrow, liar forever

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      • Texas_Dawg
        March 28th, 2011 - 16:01

        Green was not suspended by Alabama last year. He was suspended by the NCAA.

        After a year out of the game and not having played much in his career, he’s probably not that big a loss.

        85 is more than enough to fill any holes Alabama might have. 11 players have to go, so only an Alabama fan (or fan of another oversigning program) would assume that that doesn’t influence the process here.

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        • Bathel
          March 28th, 2011 - 17:48

          He was suspended by Saban PRIOR to the NCAA suspension…

          I guess you are suggesting that Saban is going to kick him off the team to make room for younger talent… You do know that Alabama has a review board that any athlete can take their case to if they feel they being “cut” for improper reasons…

          I have no idea why Green would be cut… if he is, it’s between the coach, school and the player. I have not RIGHT to know why. Maybe Green shouldn’t have been suspended by the NCAA all last year if he wanted to stay on the team… I would think he’d be lucky to still have a spot after that.

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          • Texas_Dawg
            March 28th, 2011 - 20:25

            “You do know that Alabama has a review board that any athlete can take their case to if they feel they being “cut” for improper reasons…”

            Ha. Let’s see, the word of 20-year-old black man who DID in fact miss a few classes as by team rules he was not allowed to do (and as did many others who Saban chose not to use against them given their value to the team) up against the word of one of the most powerful white men in the state (not to mention millions of others who would strongly back him as well as board members certainly culturally inclined to back him as well)…

            Yeah. Good luck with that, kid.

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            • Bathel
              March 29th, 2011 - 08:45

              Again…you have a white and black issue where there is none.

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            • Bathel
              March 29th, 2011 - 08:56

              The more I read your post, the more I’m understanding that you’re just angry and bitter. I don’t know your background or history, so I won’t try to judge you and ‘ll just leave it at feeling sorry for you.

              I wish you luck in getting past the whole black vs white issue you seem to have built up in your head.

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            • Catch 5
              March 29th, 2011 - 09:46

              And you continue to ignore the fact that Green is one of the most talented players at the thinnest position at Alabama. You don’t even try to spin facts to match your pre-set conclusions like some – you simply make up what you need to make your arguments.

              Now, don’t bother refuting this by showing links, facts, or quotes that people have actually said. No, do so by pointing out how racist I am because I’m white and from Alabama.

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    • Bathel
      March 28th, 2011 - 08:35

      Oh, and as for your Mark Barron reference…

      I’m not sure that it should even be a team issue… yes, even in UGA’s cases too. I know that it reflects on the team so I am sure that will play some part into it… but when does the personal life seperate from the team player life?

      I have a unique perspective on this as a former athlete… I can see why the school would want to take some action, but it was something that happened away from school… so I don’t know that a kid should be punished in Football for something he did and is paying for in his personal life. For now, I’ll just say it’s a case by case situtation between the school, player and coach. I don’t think they need any input from the media or fans (and that goes for UGA’s situations too).

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      • Texas_Dawg
        March 28th, 2011 - 16:12

        Of course not. Especially where such a policy is needed to protect valuable starters and helps make it easier to purge the unneeded players.

        The white people that run Alabama have always had a reason, Bathel. They had it in the 1950s, you have one now, and your kids will have a reason for the things they do to exploit the black communities of Alabama.

        George Wallace and Bull Connor had their arguments that their fans picked up and ran with just as you pick up and run with Nick Saban’s arguments.

        Outsiders looking at the situation clearly realize what garbage the arguments are but the die-hards inside of Alabama will deny the obvious right up until outsiders take away your tricks… after which you will move on to whatever else you can get away with to keep Alabama the way you want it.

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        • Bathel
          March 28th, 2011 - 17:51

          Please…. get a life. live in the today and now. I don’t buy into any of that nonsense you posted above.

          You can believe that race has something to do with it… and if you do, I feel sorry for you.

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          • Texas_Dawg
            March 28th, 2011 - 20:27

            Of course. And as every white Alabaman that came before you has ever said, it never has. At least not to the extent the outsiders were claiming.

            You’ve been raised on the party line, and you’ve got it down well.

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  4. 3RiversGuy
    March 28th, 2011 - 09:33

    Not exactly crazy about the new twitter account. What’s next: a Facebook Account? Then another account, and everyone can chase for information in multiple places all over the Internet. Maybe this is just an over-reaction, but any advice or comment about this, would be appreciated.

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    • Joshua
      March 28th, 2011 - 10:30

      I put the feed on the sidebar of this site so if you don’t wan to do the twitter thing you cam view the content I post there from here. Twitter is going to give us more direct access to people we would otherwise not be able to contact directly…I’ve already had a few back and forth messages with people I otherwise wouldn’t be able to reach so easily. We are not going to overload twitter — I promise it will only add to the experience. I kind of felt the same way you did at first, but I’m on board now and wish I had done it a long time ago!

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  5. Jay
    March 28th, 2011 - 17:08

    Nicely done, Josh. I think this was the best move to preserve the integrity of the site, or at least the perception thereof, as it were.

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    • Texas_Dawg
      March 28th, 2011 - 20:29

      Just curious: are you strongly opposed to oversigning?

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      • Jay
        March 28th, 2011 - 22:07

        For the sake of clarity: What are the various levels of opposition to oversigning? Specifically, what must one do to be considered “strongly” opposed to oversigning as, er, opposed to being just regularly opposed to oversigning? I feel you have some very definite ideas on this, and I’d just like to be clear before I pick a label.

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        • Texas_Dawg
          March 29th, 2011 - 00:14

          That pretty much answers the question. Thanks.

          Someone as opposed to the issue as, say, Joshua and other regulars here, wouldn’t have to worry about such semantics.

          That you were lying about my Twitter account makes a little more sense considering you aren’t all that opposed to oversigning.

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          • Jay
            March 29th, 2011 - 10:58

            Ha. I knew you’d come back with something like that. Time to mix your game up.

            No, I only asked because, based on months of observation, I get the sense your definition of “strongly opposed” to oversigning roughly translates to “willing to act like a dick to anyone who disagrees with me in the slightest way.” And that’s definitely not me. I don’t intend to post in the Comments section regularly (mainly due to the fact that the discourse here quickly degenerates into a cesspool of incivility where little of use is accomplished, thanks largely to the efforts of such as yourself), but when I do, I promise you’ll never see me trashing someone or hurling baseless accusations at them simply because they have a different opinion than me, so long as said opinion is on-topic and not a flame in and of itself.

            But since you asked so nicely, I’m very much against oversigning and would support any number of measures to prevent it’s abuse and all related abuses. For the record. (Do you need to see my papers, too?)

            So there you have it. Although I think the main thing you should take away from this exchange is that you need to mix your game up. Your trolling technique has gotten far too predictable and leaves you susceptible to wandering into traps like this.

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            • In the Middle (Tar Heel)
              March 29th, 2011 - 12:06

              But that’s his role here. He makes disagreement tiresome. He makes people go away.

              His current ploy — the whole George Wallace-Bull Connor-60 years ago thing — really amuses me. When Sarah Palin was drawing crowds with monkey puppets in 2008 and getting people all frothy about “real Americans,” she was touring… Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. I thought all those ultra-superior universities would have eliminated such ignorance by now.

              But hey, I guess racism only happens in the SEC West, too.

              Keep contributing, Jay. You have articulate opinions, which make you annoying to people like TD. For me, that’s half the fun and more than half the reason I keep coming back.

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              • Texas_Dawg
                March 30th, 2011 - 19:11

                No one said there weren’t white racists in all state. But percentage wise (as seen at the institutional level), Ohio and Michigan aren’t Alabama and Mississippi. And never have been.

                The Deep South has the reputation it does for good reason. And it’s no surprise that oversigning – which disproportionately harms black athletes – is happening there and not in the Big 10.

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            • Texas_Dawg
              March 30th, 2011 - 19:13

              Got it.

              Doesn’t explain why you felt the need to completely lie about the Twitter exchange with Kenyan Drake, but whatever.

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              • vesper
                March 30th, 2011 - 20:15

                I guess you missed it in one of the other blog entries, but we pretty much established that you were the one who lied about the twitter exchange. It’s pretty easy for anyone to go back and see exactly who initiated the exchange (you) and whether or not you were pestering the kid (you were). Are you still claiming that he asked you for a link out of the blue, you provided the link, and that was it? Remember, God is listening.

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                • In the Middle (Tar Heel)
                  March 30th, 2011 - 20:46

                  TD’s of the school that if you keep telling the same version of the same story over and over again, eventually it becomes “real,” even if it has little to no basis in truth.

                  I could deal with that if he wasn’t simultaneously so sanctimonious. In his mind, his CAUSE grants him immunity, while your opposition to his cause makes everything you say illegitimate, no matter how many facts you cite.

                  I don’t always agree with you, Vesper, but I respect the way you attempt to demonstrate your points.

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  6. Not Texas Dawg
    April 4th, 2011 - 11:43

    Nice work on branching out into other areas of the internet. I’m excited to find out how this year’s situation at Alabama plays out (whether they are in fact oversigned, or if we just don’t know the whole story.)

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