1. 

   BC
   August 6th, 2011 - 12:55

   Chris Tolliver had a series of very serious concussions. If he tried to step on the football field again, he’d be risking his life. The other two told the coach they’d prefer to play somewhere else several months ago. If Mickey Johnson clears, I suspect he might be asked to grey shirt but I’m not positive.

   p.s. notice we have 85 because our coaches were honest with the NCAA. So proud of our compliance. Aren’t you thankful for compliance preventing ineligible players from committing violations? I know I am!

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     HeadScratcher
     August 8th, 2011 - 12:52

     Josh isn’t interested in things like that. He is only interested in muckraking.

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2. 

   BC
   August 6th, 2011 - 13:03

   BTW, credibility and why you have none. Taking needless shots at Les Miles. That’s what makes you a troll and not someone who actually cares about a cause. Want me to take more needless shots? I assume that last one wasn’t too highbrow for you.

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3. 

   JT
   August 10th, 2011 - 21:04

   Since this site is so quick to post news that supports the premise of oversigning, how about an article that provides a rebuttal to shots previously taken.

   Two articles still on page 1 speaking to Byrce Sherman’s treatment (a walk-on given a one year ride and then not renewed) but none noting that Spurrier is granting a scholarship to another walk-on. I will make it easy, you can cut and past this article from David Porter at GamecockAnthem.com.

   Wooten earns scholarship

   Senior kicker Jay Wooten was awarded a scholarship for his final season at Carolina Monday afternoon. The former walk-on received the scholarship based on his play on the field.

   “”We put Jay on (scholarship),” Spurrier said. “He’s going to be our kicker this year – definitely field goal and extra point and possibly kickoff, although Joey Scribner-Howard has done well.”

   Spurrier also took the time to explain the program’s policy on walk-on players earning scholarships.

   “We like to put walk-ons on scholarship,” Spurrier said. “It always seems a lot clearer when we put a player on that only has one year left. It’s usually easier that way. When we put players on that has two or three years left we always tell them that this is a one-year deal. We’re not obligated and you’re not obligated to three years or whatever like that. If we don’t renew a player it’s simply because it’s not available that year. If a walk-on player goes on scholarship he definitely knows it’s a one-year deal.”

   Spurrier was criticized by the media and opposing fans earlier this year when Bryce Sherman announced he was leaving the team because his scholarship was not renewed. Many said Spurrier was sacrificing Sherman in order to sign better players. According to the policy that was not the case at all.

   “If a walk-on player goes on scholarship, he definitely knows it’s a one-year deal,” Spurrier said. “When people say they can’t play and we’re getting rid of them, they’re telling a fabricated story like some of them do a lot anyway. The walk-on kids that get scholarships know they’re one year and if they’re not renewed, they’re supposed to understand that.”

   Naturally the players that are signed right out of high school do not have the policy. When a player signs to play football at South Carolina, he’s on scholarship until he graduates or loses it due being dismissed from the team or failing to qualify academically.

   “The guys we sign as freshmen coming in we’re pretty much committed to them,” Spurrier said. “For example, (former offensive lineman) Ryan Broadhead didn’t ever play here and he was on scholarship for four and a half years.”

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     Catch 5
     August 10th, 2011 - 21:34

     Good luck with that. I’ll expect this article on the front page just after the one about the rash of players leaving OSU and other B10 schools late in the summer.

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4. 

   Max
   August 11th, 2011 - 09:07

   You love to Bash LSU and the SEC but you ignore the joke of a program your Buckeyes are running. You have zero credibility and this article is a clear example as to why that is. You only choose to put what will support you crybaby cause!!! Here is some of the information you should have included.

   Chris Toliver suffered too many concusions during his carreer and is not going to be playing football for ANYONE. He can not get a medical clearance to play. Theriot and St. Julien requested a transfer due to the fact that they were not going to get any playing time. I am sure you are the kind of person who would love to sit on you A@$ and ride the pine, but they didnt want to. Cameron Fordham just transfered and did so for the same reason, he is too small and is not going to play.
   You bash Miles for Elliot Porter, But I have not seen you acknowlede the fact that Porter is currently on the team (as a walk on), after transfering to TWO different schools. Porter has said during numerous interviews that he was wrong and should have taken the gray shirt. Miles also admitted that his own handling of the situation was not proper and he, as a coach, will not allow it to happen again.

   You know if you want to scream for your “cause” then go ahead and do it, but at least be honest and fair. You are a good example of why scholarships are only good for one year. If I had hired you to write for me you would not have your contract renewed in year too. WHAT A BOOB!!!

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     BetterRED
     August 19th, 2011 - 18:05

     ok. People get hurt and they decide to hang it up, not as many as Saban or Miles get rid of though. Good example of a player who SHOULD be placed on medical hardship though.

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5. 

   slowbro
   August 22nd, 2011 - 14:42

   In positive news Auburn gave schollies to 8 walk-ons.

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6. 

   Charlie9
   February 1st, 2012 - 14:27

   Is the site broken? Was it an accident that so many posts were lost?

   Why are comments disabled on the new article? It seems like the comment feature seems to go away when OSU is in the middle of an oversigning controversy. Is it because…

   OSU oversigned!!!!?!?!?!

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     slowbro
     February 1st, 2012 - 18:40

     Yea really, they should just shut the site down. I see he conveniently left out that Auburn and Florida also gave out 4 year schollys.

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7. 

   Catch 5
   February 2nd, 2012 - 11:12

   First off, big move with the 4-year schollies, and B10 schools aren’t the only ones using them. I’m not sure how it is legal to offer it now with the rule not being official yet – that would imply that the old rule still applies, where a school cannot offer multi-year deals or even tell the kid it is for multi years. I assume that there is some kind of waiver – either way, it’s a good move.

   Now about Bama. I don’t know why Josh has abandoned putting his thoughts about this here. Perhaps it is similar to why he blocks everyone on twitter who disagrees with him. I must ask why you have such a problem with Bama this year. The SEC’s rule worked (for you). It did what you have repeated said you want. Two kids that would have been able to sign LOIs in previous years with the school of their choice had to look elsewhere. Bama wasn’t able to bring in extra insurance for summer attrition.

   Yet Josh’s recent tweets are all about Bama screwing over a couple of recruits. How? Both had grayshirt offers – they still had scholarships waiting at Alabama if they wanted to go there. They both were informed as to the nature of their offer with enough time remaining to secure and accept offers at other schools. And not some Sun Belt or FCS school – other SEC teams. I’m sorry, but I fail to see how they were so screwed over. Let’s review Josh’s own words from one of his articles back in July:

   Everyone that visits this site, whether you are pro-oversigning or anti-oversigning, agrees that when it comes to grayshirting there must be an agreement on or before NSD.

   Both of these guys he says have been royally screwed by Bama were informed before NSD as to their grayshirt offer. Why has your opinion changed?

   http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/07/11/tennessee-have-oversiging-issues/

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     Charlie9
     February 2nd, 2012 - 17:45

     You might as well quit trying to appeal with logic. I think that the deletions and turning off comments are proof that the debate is over.

     It is no longer a debate. In fact… it hasn’t been a debate for a long time.

     It is an emotional narrative with no substance. It’s a cry against WINNERS. All the underachievers and minorities pile on… they all want to believe that Alabama is doing something nefarious to win. Fans of my favorite team oftentimes stoop to this level… it is motivated by jealousy. Jealousy blinds them of logic, blinds them of the blatant hypocrisy.

     He has lost the argument, but he is silencing his critics and inciting jealous crowds into an illogical frenzy.

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8. 

   WTF
   February 2nd, 2012 - 14:49

   You guys talk about Butt Hurt…I mean who is Butt Hurt here? You are posting in a section that was last updated months ago. You can’t post in the above section so you post comments below it and even on OSU boards, unless the Catch 5 there is a totally different person. Seems like you guys are a little soar yourself or just like confrontation. At least when you are visiting elevenwarriors you are a little more civil there. I am happy to see the SEC taking this new stance. I think it is a step in the right direction. BTW, the Buckeyes have one scholarship spot available and have not oversigned.

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     Catch 5
     February 3rd, 2012 - 21:50

     Butt hurt? Let’s see, I’m a fan of the team that just won its second national championship in the last three years, and who just followed that up with its fourth #1 recruiting class in five years (Rivals). Don’t really think I qualify for that.

     Yea, I have posted a couple of comments on 11W. I don’t know what the big deal is about using the same name – I am who I am. I started reading there to get a better feel for B10, and OSU fans perspective. While most of them display the typical B10 elitism, there are many who will at least discuss things with you – and many don’t share Josh’s cynical view, though most do.

     I honestly don’t know where I’m being uncivil here. Yea, I’m calling Josh out – he deserves it. He spouts accusations and rumor like it’s fact over and over, yet he won’t answer what should be simple questions about how he reaches his conclusion. When presented with data or arguments that refute his opinions, he ignores it. So much so that he now deals mostly on Twitter where he can say whatever he wants and can block anyone who questions him. But I try not to attack anyone personally here – it should be all about the issue.

     Lastly, the Buckeyes have an NCAA-mandated reduced cap of 82 scholarships over the next three years. With their 25 LOIs this year, they are currently at 84 – with two more guys that they are recruiting yet to commit or sign, and a third that may or may not have had his offer pulled on NSD ( http://cleveland.sbnation.com/ohio-st-buckeyes/2012/2/1/2764942/davonte-neal-ohio-state-recruits-national-signing-day ). This does not count the kid who was committed until just before NSD when he was arrested. OSU was right in pulling their offer to him, but it shows that they were offering to at least 29 at one time – which would put them at 6 over the limit.

     I’ll also remind you that while they are “only” oversigned by 2 at this time (and per B10 rules likely won’t take more than one more – thus the confusion over the Neal kid – they would be over by 9 if not for the loss of 7 scholarship players since Christmas – a timeframe where Bama has not lost any.

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9. 

   Charlie9
   February 2nd, 2012 - 19:00

   http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/urban-meyer-recruting-tactics-draw-ire-fellow-big-184857946.html;_ylt=AqLm.qSyIsRQSgAqAXYkUeMcvrYF

   Big 10 coaches dislike Urban Meyer’s recruiting practices!?!?! Will Josh defend Meyer? Or will Josh acknowledge that these coaches sound alot like the drivel we’ve been hearing about oversigning for the last few years?

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     WTF
     February 3rd, 2012 - 12:34

     Yeah pick a stance or know wth you are talking about before posting. They are upset about some gentlemen’s agreement, more so about talking to kids that have already verbaled elsewhere. There argument isn’t oversigning. So what is your point?

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       Charlie9
       February 3rd, 2012 - 16:24

       He mentioned “illegal” recruiting practices. That has nothing to do with a gentleman’s agreement.

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       Charlie9
       February 3rd, 2012 - 16:42

       The point more succinctly: Jealousy and anger are the motivations behind the criticism. Which follows a very close parallel with Josh’s criticisms of the SEC.

       Are Meyer’s recruiting tactics ethical? Or do you agree with Bielema’s (and other coaches) criticisms?

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       Charlie9
       February 3rd, 2012 - 16:43

       And the whole idea of a gentleman’s agreement…

       Maybe that’s why the Big 10 has been so bad lately. Do the Big 10 coaches have a draft? Do they call dibs? They divide up talent instead of competing for it? A gentleman’s agreement sounds alot like anti-competition. There are some real ethical issues that arise in a situation like this. Apple was recently under fire for some gentleman’s agreement whereby they would not attempt to lure empoyees from certain other employers. That’s illegal.

       Check the moral compass! It’s not pointing toward the Big 10!

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         WTF
         February 7th, 2012 - 15:06

         The “Illegal” process was investigated and ruled that Bielema was an idiot (my words) for making a public accusation like that. Nothing illegal occurred. I agree with you that that agreement potentialy makes the Big Ten weaker. It breads complacency and complacency is the enemy of competitiveness. That issue has been resolved and the agreement is publicly null and void. I am not one for preaching morals across the board but I have no problem voicing my opinion about a specific topic that I feel strongly about. So you can’t disagree with a topic unless you are perfect in every other area of your life? This is why I hope Tebow never trips. Everyone wants to point the finger at somebody that disagrees with them and says “Look what you did here.” Case and point your comment about the Big Ten moral compass. They have certain ideals and encourage others to consider them. Ultimately, the conference does what it thinks is best for student and it’s perception. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t make the B1G come off holier than thou.

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           Charlie9
           February 9th, 2012 - 10:54

           You are missing the point. I, and others, have argued that oversigning, in and of itself, is not necessarily immoral or unethical.

           You are correct in saying that exposing the hypocrisy of a preacher does not make the preacher’s arguments invalid. But consider this: The preacher is angry and jealous of his rivals. The preacher only preaches against his rivals. The preacher overlooks and makes excuses for the more blaring and obvious immorality of his friends and followers.

           This preacher is obviously hypocritical. The hypocrisy does not make him wrong, but it exposes his motives. His ill motives explain his actions. He is compelled to find error where there is no error. He is compelled to overlook error where error exists.

           He is wrong, not because of his hypocrisy! Rather, he is hypocritical because he is wrong!

           Answer this:

           Are Meyer’s recruiting tactics ethical? Or do you agree with Bielema’s (and other coaches) criticisms?

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10. 

    In the Middle (Tar Heel)
    February 3rd, 2012 - 08:08

    I think J’s move to twitter was at least an intellectually honest admission that this is more about “emoting” for him than making coherent arguments. He’s angry enough at Nick Saban that he can see two similar actions at two similar schools in two very different lights. He excused Purdue for abandoning a kid with a knee injury immediately prior to Signing Day last year, because it’s Purdue, which means it’s B1G, which means they must have had good reasons. It’s weird, and kind of sad, but that’s a context that Twitter’s not designed to accommodate or explore.

    Have fun deleting that, J.

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    In the Middle (Tar Heel)
    February 5th, 2012 - 11:26

    Let’s face it – the oversigning debate has become an “end” which justifies some questionable means. It’s the sort of rhetoric you see out of the political poles: “I’m right, it’s self-evident, my cause is pure, so it doesn’t matter if I ignore certain things on my way to making my point.”

    That method discredits the movement itself. Until the critics are willing to abandon this “B1G good, all others bad” theme (which is complete nonsense), then we’re arguing about relative conference evils rather than reform.

    Why people can’t see that baffles me. The means chosen actually get in the way of the desired ends. Senseless.

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12. 

    soccermike
    February 5th, 2012 - 15:03

    I love the fact that he leaves the coment section off. This is the first time I have come over here in probabaly a year. I guess since the scandal at OSU and the continue facts that prove him wrong only demonstrate why he has taken shelter to a more confined and controled area. Before long he will only the mirror to talk with.

    The truth about Philon is not UA yanking a scholly and he lost all credibility when he linked an article Scarb. He might as well asked Danny Sheridan for his professional opinion. The facts are now coming out regarding Philon. Apparantly Philon and his HS coach lied to not only Saban but other schools. When Philon hurt his knee in Nov in the playoffs and was suppose to get surgery his coach had him continue to play.

    ….In a first-round Class 5A playoff victory in November, Philon suffered a knee injury and didn’t return to that game, but did hobble through the rest of the playoffs. His coach, Kerry Stevenson, said a day later the knee would require surgery, but that it hadn’t been scheduled yet. As of this past Wednesday, that surgery had still not been scheduled. Stevenson told the Mobile Press-Register the doctors wouldn’t know the severity of the injury until it was scoped….

    http://arkansas.247sec.com/2012/02/03/the-curious-journey-of-signee-darius-philon/

    The problem is the HC lied plain and simple. He held no regard for his player by having him continue on and play because winning was more important. He also told Saban and many others that he had surgery but now we have that was not the case and when the UA staff found out they pulled the offer, which happened the week before NSD.

    ….Multiple sources at Vigor, including head coach Kerry Stevenson, have said Philon had surgery for a torn meniscus in December….

    Again I would expect no less from this site. It will only print fabrications without finding out what is true and what is not.

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