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13Aug/1030

Tony Gerdeman Got It, Few Others Did (Including Us!)

We attempted to correct some of the wrongs the "real" media has been putting out lately with its coverage of oversigning and reaction to Elliott Porter's story, but Tony Gerdeman has shown us that we too missed the mark.

Our general theme with regards to the Elliott Porter story and the media's coverage of it has been that most people are missing the point with regards to the numbers - most media outlets are focused on the fact that Les Miles signed 27 and it was 2 over the single year 25 limit, completely missing the bigger issue which was that LSU was over the 85 limit based on what they lost from graduation/early entry into the NFL and what they signed (27).  They should have signed 18 recruits, not 27.  18 was all they had room for under the 85 limit and had LSU resided in the Big 10 Conference and not the SEC they would have been required to sign 18 and would not have been allowed to sign 27.

However, in our haste to point out that everyone missed the boat with regards to the numbers, we glossed over how the mainstream media missed the target and the real root of the problem all together, OVERSIGNING.

Eagle-eyed Tony Gerdeman didn't miss it though.  Gerdeman has been on the right side of this topic from the very beginning.  He knows the deal and he understands what is really going on with these coaches in the SEC that exploit the oversigning loophole.  In his weekly installment of The Week that Was, Gerdeman comments on the article we mentioned above and adds a really great point that we totally missed.

The gist of the article is detailing the way Miles told incoming freshman offensive lineman Elliott Porter that he needed him to grayshirt—and this was after he was already moved into his dorms, which then forced Porter to ask for his release and try to find somewhere else to go to college.

But that's not what really bothered me about the article. We all know Les Miles has character issues—he went to Michigan for crying out loud, so I don't really feel the need to stoke that tire fire anymore than it's already burning.

My issue is with the way the practice of oversigning was just glossed over in the article, and how perhaps the most ethical way of dealing with oversigning was actually vilified.

Yeah, offering a grayshirt is a jerk move that late in the deal, but it very much beats getting cut. At least the student athlete was given a choice in the matter. Normally in the SEC, they aren't.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't recall the Big Ten ever outlawing grayshirting as the article indicated. You just never hear about it because it isn't used to fitting 27 players into 24 slots.

And it certainly isn't discussed half a year after national signing day.

We wrote a piece on greyshirting being okay, but we really missed the point that greyshirting was vilified more than the oversigning - the focus should be on the oversigning because without it there is no greyshirting of players.  This is like a drunk driver hitting another car and the victim dying on the way to the hospital because of a bumpy ambulance ride and everyone vilifies the medical staff and the ambulance driver while the drunk driver slides under the radar. 

Sounds crazy doesn't it? 

But that's kind of what happened.  Everyone was too busy looking at what Les Miles did with the greyshirt process and vilifying it, while the real culprit (oversigning) slid out the backdoor barely even noticed.   Heck, even oversigning.com, the only blog on the entire Internet dedicated solely to oversigning missed it because we were too busy correcting everyone for missing the real point behind the numbers (that it wasn't the 25 per year rule that was the problem it was the 85 total that was the problem).

Great work Tony!

In the end, the Elliott Porter story and how Les Miles handled everything should have taught everyone the following:

1. Oversigning is the real problem - if the SEC had a ban on oversigning this would never happen.

2. The greyshirt process is not the issue and is not the villian here.  When handled correctly and in the right situations, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a greyshirt opportunity.  We would like to see the NCAA add a few rules to further regulate the practice and create transparency, but in the end greyshirting is not to blame - oversigning is.

3. The main issue with LSU and Les Miles (outside of the piss poor way he pulled Porter's scholarship away from him at the last minute) was not that he went 2 over the 25 limit in a single class, but rather that he went 9 over the 85 limit on National Signing day when he accepted signed letters of intent that bound 27 new recruits to LSU in a ONE-WAY agreement that they can't get out of and at the time he only had 18 openings.  That is the core of the issue and that is oversigning.  LSU had room for 18 recruits, not 27, and had they signed 21 instead of 27 they would have still had a problem, despite not being over the 25 per year rule.

4. Oversigning causes kids to get screwed and it has got to stop.  This is the very reason why the Big 10 banned oversigning all together decades ago.

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8Aug/108

Sunday Afternoon Reading

We're working on a rather long piece right now that will go over the most common arguments we receive here and we hope to have it up later today, but in the meantime, here is a great article written by Mr. SEC that I think many of you will find interesting. 

http://www.mrsec.com/2010/05/us-justice-department-looking-into-ncaas-renewable-scholarships/

And another one written by David Moulton.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/may/27/david-moulton-ncaa-needs-change-rules-regarding-re/

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13Jul/1013

Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet

We don't have a lot of time right at the moment, but I wanted to point out that there is a new governance committee at the NCAA headquarters called the Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet.  Here is a link to the NCAA site where you can find some really good information about the new cabinet, its members, and minutes from their previous meeting. 

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/legislation+and+governance/committees/division+i/recruiting+cabinet/index-d1_recruiting_cabinet.html

The new cabinet has a proposal on the table to prohibit offering scholarships before July 1st in between a players Junior and Senior high school years.  We'll comment more on this specific proposal when we get more time, but until then you can read more about the proposal and reaction from the coaches here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5357344

We have a message for Petrina Long, chair of the cabinet that created this new proposal, regarding her comments below in bold:

Which leads to the second problem. "If someone asks me if I'm going to offer a kid, how do I answer that question?" Donovan said. "What's the right thing to say?"

Technically, the right answer would be "no," since offering a scholarship would be against NCAA rules.

Like some of his colleagues, West Virginia coach Bob Huggins is not a fan of the new NCAA proposal regarding early scholarship offers.

But like much of the NCAA rulebook, this proposal seems ripe for a loophole-exposing game of semantics.

"We understand that there are some ways around this," Long said. "But we hope that coaches will be on board with the spirit and ethics of this. We're all adults here, and it's time we start honoring the spirit of these ideas."

Which is great in theory, but in practice, there's a reason the NCAA manual is thicker than the Chinese phone book.

"If there's a kid in this state who from his freshman year said he wants to be here, that [as] he's grown up he's always wanted to be part of this program, what am I supposed to say?" Huggins said. "Am I supposed to tell him, 'Talk to me in two or three years'? That's not going to happen."

No, what will happen is a coach will tell a recruit that, per NCAA rule, he can't officially offer a scholarship until July 1 before the recruit's senior year but -- wink, wink -- you have a scholarship waiting for you.

If you think that coaches aren't going to find a loophole and exploit it then you are not the person we need leading this cabinet.   Open your eyes.  We implore you not to write proposals that you "hope" everyone as adults will start honoring, but to write proposals and by-laws that spell out the spirit and the ethics and provide for enforcing them and punishing those who do not act in accordance with the spirit and the ethics.   Simply hoping that coaches are going to do the right thing is ridiculous and the kids these coaches are hurting deserve better - these kids are in your care.  Do the right by them because they don't have anyone else to look out for them.

Again, as we have stated many, many time here, oversigning is not a violation of the NCAA rules, it is an ethical issue and those that exploit the loophole are not conducting themselves within the spirit and ethics of the recruiting by-laws.  This is a perfect example as to why you cannot write by-laws and proposals with the assumption that everyone is going to act accordingly, because they are not.  And with regards to oversigning, we're not talking about one or two coaches exploiting the spirit and ethics of the by-laws for signing players, we are talking about the entire history of an entire conference, minus Vanderbilt and Georgia.  Oversigning has been a systemic problem in the SEC since the creation of the conference, just ask Georgia Tech fans about oversigning.

Need further proof that coaches, heck even conference commissioners, look for ways to exploit loopholes in the NCAA rulebook?  Then look no further than how the SEC Championship Game was created.

Schiller remembers sitting around one day with one of his assistants, Mark Womack, now the league's executive associate commissioner. He was looking at the NCAA rule book and the idea was born.

"You know, Mark," Schiller said, "we can have a football championship.'" "What you mean?" Womack responded. "I'm looking at a rule book and it says if you have more than 10 institutions, you can effectively have a championship in any sport," Schiller said.

Somehow, Walter Byers, the dogmatic head of the NCAA, caught wind and immediately called Schiller in Birmingham.

"He said, 'what the heck are you doing?'" Schiller said, remembering the fiery conversation. "That (rule) was not meant for you," Byers told Schiller. "It was meant for hockey, volleyball and soccer (and smaller leagues) where they have 12 or 14 or 16 schools."

"But that's not what the rule books says," fired back Schiller, a former combat pilot in Vietnam who later attained the rank in the Air Force of Brigadier General. Schiller once headed the chemistry department at the Air Force Academy and holds a doctorate in the subject.

Schiller said the conversation deteriorated from there, with Byers "calling me an SOB."

"You're not going to do it," Byers demanded.

Oh yes we are, Schiller responded.

In 1992, the SEC made history by holding its inaugural championship game.

http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html

The one good thing that did come out of this proposal, something oversigning.com reader Mario will appreciate, is that recruits will be required to send in 5 semesters or 7 quarters worth of grade transcripts before receiving a scholarship offer.  This is a step in the right direction.  Here is more on that part of the proposal:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/12993/ncaa-scholarships-now-take-five

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31May/103

NCSA – National Collegiate Scouting Association

We were just linked up by NCSA.  It appears they have found our site and are now recommending that their readers visit our site and educate themselves on the topic of oversigning. 

NCSA is the leading collegiate recruiting source for more than 35,000 college coaches across the country.  From their website:

The National Collegiate Scouting Association (NCSA) was founded in 2000 by Chris Krause, a former full-ride scholarship football player at Vanderbilt University, with a two-pronged mission: To provide a means for college coaches at every level to find the recruits best suited for their programs and to educate high school student athletes and their families about the college recruiting process.

From Brian Davidson's article on their website regarding oversigning.com.

27May/108

Quick Links

Right before the server meltdown the other day we were getting ready to post a list of links to websites currently talking about oversigning.  Here is that list.  There are some very interesting conversations going on around the country.

http://www.wvfan.com/articles/west-virginia/wvu-recruiting-bill-stewarts-version.html
http://allthingsmaroon.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/the-sec-leads-in-oversigning-2010-2011-sec-bowl-team-predictions/
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/54634/a_commitment_to_nick_saban_is_an_iron-clad,_one_way_street
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11744/on-runoff-scholarships-and-college-hoops
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/campus/2010/05/more-on-yanking-scholarships-away.html
http://hailtothevictorsblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/chart-of-day.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/398115-the-10-worst-college-football-teams-for-oversigning-recruits#page/1
http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2010/05/the-numbers-game.html
http://berniesdawgblawg.blogspot.com/2010/05/theres-more-than-85-ways-to-win.html
http://barrelofrum.blogspot.com/2010/05/dark-shadow-of-oversigning.html
http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2010/summer/weekthatwas10_05_21.html
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/5471/oversigning-is-it-ethical
http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44155
http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/puglieses-point/2010/05/20/recruiting-numbers-not-by-the-book
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootballblog/2011941582_monday_links_---_angels_locker.html
http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/football/10435-here-some-interesting-sec-football-data.html
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/10976/sec-leads-the-way-in-oversigning-players
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/05/26/best-conference/1.html#ixzz0p3xPCzCG
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/proudly-presenting-nick-sabans-favorite-website-28414
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/5/26/1488705/oversigning
http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/05/plainslinks-says-a-quick-goodbye/
http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2010/5/26/1489159/oversigning-by-the-numbers
http://blutarsky.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/by-the-numbers/
http://blogs.dailymail.com/wvu/2010/05/24/in-the-windy-city-dasean-butler-feels-hint-of-draft/
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3892878-sec-leads-the-way-in-oversigning/
http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football-recruiting/53255-oversigning-recruits.html

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