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20Jan/11Off

Oversigning Cup Standings

The Cup Standings will be here at the top until NSD - be sure to scroll down for new posts.  Note we added a column to place a link to the team scholarship roster.  If you have one please post hereIMPORTANT: These standings are not final - at this point in the process we are looking at verbal commitments, which are different than players actually signing.  We should be able to round up solid, concrete numbers after signing day.  This is a reader-based event, your feedback and updates are critical -- if the numbers we have on the board are wrong post an update so we can fix the numbers.  Part of this exercise is to get you, the reader, engaged in this topic and reviewing your own team's numbers - this is just as much about raising awareness as it is crowning a champion of oversigning.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  


Table Key

* We need verification on the Ole Miss' SPEC number.  Did they have anyone leave during the season that would have made their SPEC lower than 85?

** We are unclear about USC's appeal situation and whether or not they are allowed the full 85 this year or not.

19Jan/11207

Official Oversigning Cup Update Thread

This is the official thread for the oversigning cup updates.  Please only post updates and numbers for the cup standings here.   Alabama fans that insist on arguing that there is nothing wrong with oversigning will be removed from this thread.  Please submit entries in the following format: Just include the numbers for each column in the cup along with any relevant links used in your research...roster charts, etc.  A brief explanation is fine, but nothing too long.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  

Update: Michigan State Fans. We have you at -1 based on this chart http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/94/2011-Football-Scholarship-Chart-726235/1; we need to confirm that you had a full 85 at the end of the season last year.  For now we are assuming that you had a full 85, if not then your cup points are just lower and you still have more room.  Please update if you can.

Arkansas Fans: Rivals has you at 28 verbal commitments; please explain you had 25 last year.  South Carolina, you have 28 verbals as well with 23 last year.

9Jan/11191

Oversigning Cup Update – Calling for Help!

The scoreboard has been updated to reflect feedback from readers.  Thanks to the Iowa and Florida people for sending in their data.  We have added a small scorecard in the sidebar on the right for quick reference.

The only way this can work is if you help us - we would love to hear from Penn State, Texas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Ohio State, UNC, Florida State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Oregon, VT, and everyone else from BCS schools. 

Notre Dame has the best scholarship roster application on the Internet http://www.fat-brain.com/football/notredame.html; if there are any Notre Dame readers we would love get your numbers.  Your scholarship app shows that you have 5 fifth year seniors and 15 regular seniors; of the 15 regular seniors you show 8 that have a 5th year available.  We need to know how many of the 15 are coming back for their 5th year and how many, if any, juniors are leaving early.  The scholarship app shows 77 players on scholarship (which doesn't sound right), but if it were, and all of your seniors were leaving, you would have room for 28; right now you have 19 recruits.  Oversigning has never been a problem with Notre Dame, in fact, Notre Dame's roster management should be held has the gold standard for all of college football; it is the polar opposite of Alabama and LSU.

There are so many people out there that are much closer to these programs than we are - with your help we can really get a gauge for who is abusing this loophole the most.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  

7Jan/112

Oversigning Cup Update

Update: Iowa, Florida, Alabama, and LSU have been added.

We're making one change to the oversigning cup table; we're changing "# Signed" to "# Verbals" and will change it back to "# Signed" after NSD. 

Note to readers; when submitting your entries, please give us the data for each column along with your references.  Once we can confirm your data (to the best of our ability given our limited resources), we will add it to the table.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  

6Jan/1162

Time to Gear Up for the Oversigning Cup

When we started this blog back in February of 2010, we were unable to collect enough data on all of the schools to conduct a formal Oversigning Cup.  However this year, given the widespread attention now being given to oversiging (it has literally gotten to the point where you cannot read a sports article without seeing the word oversigning in there somewhere), we might, with your help, be able to conduct a formal Oversigning Cup and determine which schools go over the limit the most.

The formula is pretty simple, the hardest part and the most time consuming is looking at a roster and determine how many players are on scholarship at the end of the season (now) and how many are seniors that have expired their eligibility, but once you have that it is easy to figure out the rest.

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Verbals Cup Points Roster
Ole Miss* 85 15 15 29 +14 Link 1 2
Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 18 (+2gs+3Juco)=23 +10 Link
USC** 85 25 25 (-10) 25 +10 Link
LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 21 +9  
Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 28 +8  
South Carolina 77 18 26 (30) +5  
Miss State 85 19 19 24 +5 Link1 2
Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 24 +2 Link
Michigan State 85 17 17 18 +1  
Ohio State 83 20 22 21 (+1Juco) 0 Link1 2
Penn State 84 14 (11sr+3dp) 15 15 0 Link
Florida State 74 13 24 24 0 Link
Notre Dame 78 18 25 23 -2 Link
Miami 85 15 15 12 -3 Link 1 2
Florida 84 18 19 15 -4  
Auburn 84 25 (22sr+3jr) 26 22 -4  
Minnesota 74 14 25 20 -5 Link
Nebraska 85 23 (20sr+2md+1tr) 23 16 (+1gs+1ms)=18 -5  
Georgia 84 25 (19sr+2jr+2dc+1ts+1md) 26 21 -5 Link
Michigan 80 14 (13sr+1tr) 19 12 -7 Link 1 2
Iowa 85 29 29 20 -9  

Regarding the table above, here is what each column defines:

SPES: Scholarship Players at End of the Season: this is the total number of players on scholarship at the end of the season.  This is basically the year end roster from which we subtract and add players to in order to determine the amount of oversigning.

Departures: Graduating seniors with no remaining eligibility and Juniors that declare for the draft by January 15th.

Budget: The number of recruits that a school should sign based on 85 - (SPES - Departures).  Example, with an SPES of 84 and Departures of 18, the Budget would be 85 - (84-18) = 19

# of Players Signed: This is the total number of players that sign a national letter of intent in the current recruiting class.  Update: this field has been renamed to # Verbals until NSD gets here - at which time we will change it back.

Cup Points: The total number of signed letters that exceed the budget number.  This is the number of oversigned players.  This will also be the number of players that are cut, forced into transfers, medical hardships, greyshirts, or set a form letter from Les Miles.

Included above was South Carolina's numbers for this year (these are not official yet because players have not signed their letters of intent yet) based on information from another oversigning blog that has been created recently.

http://oversigningnotes.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/steve-spurrier-has-some-cuts-to-make/

The only way to make this happen is to have a lot of help from readers and people who are passionate about fixing this problem.  If you want to participate, simply post your numbers in the discussion thread below; all we ask is that you provide some sort of reference for your numbers.

Those of you who want to help the cause but aren't sure what you can do - this is your chance to pitch in - pick a team, maybe your own or maybe your rival, and investigate their recruiting numbers and practices - help gather the data and post it here and we will put it up on the board.

13Jun/100

The Oversigning Cup – 2011

We finally got around to creating a dedicated page for next year's Oversigning Cup.  We mentioned this a while back, but haven't been able to get around to setting it up for next year until now.   All the details you need are here.   Be sure to review the table definitions.  Basically, our goal here is to establish a recruiting budget for each team based on the standard procedures for determining how many slots each team will have open for the next year, and then we want to see which schools go over that budget on national signing day. 

It will be very interesting to see which teams go over, especially now that oversigning has been brought to light. 

The Oversigning Cup - 2011

School SPES Departures Budget # Signed Cup Points
School A 85 19 19 29 10
School B 84 24 25 23 -2

3May/108

The Oversigning Cup v1.0

We mentioned a while back that we would like to award the team with the most oversigned roster going into the fall with a special award, The Oversigning Cup.  As it turns out, Matt Hinton (Dr. Saturday), has already done the legwork for the 2009 class.  It appears the 2009 Cup goes to Alabama.  It also appears as though they are working on back to back Cups, as they lead the 2010 race with yet again 10 players too many.  Currently that number is down to 7 due to 2 players not returning for their last year of eligibility and 1 medical hardship scholarship.

Matt wrote  a great piece on oversigning and hit the nail on the head.

"These numbers are always murky enough that they fall into the category of "best guess," but Alabama, North Carolina, Auburn and UCLA -- and probably some other schools that weren't part of the very small group I delved into -- are all far enough over the line here that, if the season started today, I'm confident they'd have to straight up cut some kids with whom they had a mutual commitment."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Coaches-don-t-leave-signing-day-without-your-re?urn=ncaaf,140082

25Feb/106

The Oversigning Cup

This project was originally dubbed "The Saban Cup" and you guys can call it that if you like, but we'll refer to it as "The Oversigning Cup" in an attempt to remain neutral and unbiased.  It could have very easily been named "The Nutt Cup" in honor of Houston Nutt's 37 player class of 2009.  Maybe we'll rename it every year using the name of the previous winner.  Who knows, but for now, it's The Oversigning Cup.

One of our goals here at oversigning.com is to track the annual recruiting budgets of as many schools as possible to see which schools are abusing oversigning the most. 

Really, the only data we need to do this is the number of players currently on scholarship on signing day and the number of players signed (we have been using Rivals.com as our source for the number of players signed - if you have a source that disputes their numbers, please send it in).  Below are just a few examples.   The problem is that it is a lot of work to track these numbers down for every school.  Therefore, we're asking for some help from  you, the loyal readers of oversigning.com.  You can either submit the numbers for your school, or if you think your rival school is abusing the numbers, send in their numbers.  All we ask is that you include a link to where you found the numbers so that we can at least appear to be on the up and up here.

In the end, Cup Points are actually the number of players certain schools/coaches will have to get rid of in order to stay within the NCAA's 85/25 rule.  Once we know which schools have gone over we can begin to keep an eye out for the attrition and document how the coaches were able to get their numbers down to 85/25.  Along the way, we should run into kids transferring, such as Auburn's Tyrik Roll, or kids running afoul of unspecified team rules like Alabama's Robby Green.  

The Oversigning Cup

Rank School Current Scholarships Budget Commits Cup Points
1 Alabama 66 19 29 10
2 Notre Dame 60 25 23 -2
3 Ohio State 65 20 18 -2


Here is a link to Notre Dame's roster which makes it very clear how many they had before signing day and how many they signed.  It would be great if we could find something like this for every school.  Maybe we'll dedicate a page for all the links we gather.

http://www.fat-brain.com/football/notredame.html
Click on the Roster Chart tab.

Please leave your numbers and links in the comments section.  We will update the board as we get more numbers.