The truth about Philon is not UA yanking a scholly and he lost all credibility when he linked an article Scarb. He might as well asked Danny Sheridan for his professional opinion. The facts are now coming out regarding Philon. Apparantly Philon and his HS coach lied to not only Saban but other schools. When Philon hurt his knee in Nov in the playoffs and was suppose to get surgery his coach had him continue to play.

….In a first-round Class 5A playoff victory in November, Philon suffered a knee injury and didn’t return to that game, but did hobble through the rest of the playoffs. His coach, Kerry Stevenson, said a day later the knee would require surgery, but that it hadn’t been scheduled yet. As of this past Wednesday, that surgery had still not been scheduled. Stevenson told the Mobile Press-Register the doctors wouldn’t know the severity of the injury until it was scoped….

http://arkansas.247sec.com/2012/02/03/the-curious-journey-of-signee-darius-philon/

The problem is the HC lied plain and simple. He held no regard for his player by having him continue on and play because winning was more important. He also told Saban and many others that he had surgery but now we have that was not the case and when the UA staff found out they pulled the offer, which happened the week before NSD.

….Multiple sources at Vigor, including head coach Kerry Stevenson, have said Philon had surgery for a torn meniscus in December….

Again I would expect no less from this site. It will only print fabrications without finding out what is true and what is not.

That method discredits the movement itself. Until the critics are willing to abandon this “B1G good, all others bad” theme (which is complete nonsense), then we’re arguing about relative conference evils rather than reform.

Why people can’t see that baffles me. The means chosen actually get in the way of the desired ends. Senseless.

Yea, I have posted a couple of comments on 11W. I don’t know what the big deal is about using the same name – I am who I am. I started reading there to get a better feel for B10, and OSU fans perspective. While most of them display the typical B10 elitism, there are many who will at least discuss things with you – and many don’t share Josh’s cynical view, though most do.

I honestly don’t know where I’m being uncivil here. Yea, I’m calling Josh out – he deserves it. He spouts accusations and rumor like it’s fact over and over, yet he won’t answer what should be simple questions about how he reaches his conclusion. When presented with data or arguments that refute his opinions, he ignores it. So much so that he now deals mostly on Twitter where he can say whatever he wants and can block anyone who questions him. But I try not to attack anyone personally here – it should be all about the issue.

Lastly, the Buckeyes have an NCAA-mandated reduced cap of 82 scholarships over the next three years. With their 25 LOIs this year, they are currently at 84 – with two more guys that they are recruiting yet to commit or sign, and a third that may or may not have had his offer pulled on NSD ( http://cleveland.sbnation.com/ohio-st-buckeyes/2012/2/1/2764942/davonte-neal-ohio-state-recruits-national-signing-day ). This does not count the kid who was committed until just before NSD when he was arrested. OSU was right in pulling their offer to him, but it shows that they were offering to at least 29 at one time – which would put them at 6 over the limit.

I’ll also remind you that while they are “only” oversigned by 2 at this time (and per B10 rules likely won’t take more than one more – thus the confusion over the Neal kid – they would be over by 9 if not for the loss of 7 scholarship players since Christmas – a timeframe where Bama has not lost any.

Maybe that’s why the Big 10 has been so bad lately. Do the Big 10 coaches have a draft? Do they call dibs? They divide up talent instead of competing for it? A gentleman’s agreement sounds alot like anti-competition. There are some real ethical issues that arise in a situation like this. Apple was recently under fire for some gentleman’s agreement whereby they would not attempt to lure empoyees from certain other employers. That’s illegal.

Check the moral compass! It’s not pointing toward the Big 10!

Are Meyer’s recruiting tactics ethical? Or do you agree with Bielema’s (and other coaches) criticisms?

Have fun deleting that, J.

Big 10 coaches dislike Urban Meyer’s recruiting practices!?!?! Will Josh defend Meyer? Or will Josh acknowledge that these coaches sound alot like the drivel we’ve been hearing about oversigning for the last few years?

It is no longer a debate. In fact… it hasn’t been a debate for a long time.

It is an emotional narrative with no substance. It’s a cry against WINNERS. All the underachievers and minorities pile on… they all want to believe that Alabama is doing something nefarious to win. Fans of my favorite team oftentimes stoop to this level… it is motivated by jealousy. Jealousy blinds them of logic, blinds them of the blatant hypocrisy.

He has lost the argument, but he is silencing his critics and inciting jealous crowds into an illogical frenzy.

Now about Bama. I don’t know why Josh has abandoned putting his thoughts about this here. Perhaps it is similar to why he blocks everyone on twitter who disagrees with him. I must ask why you have such a problem with Bama this year. The SEC’s rule worked (for you). It did what you have repeated said you want. Two kids that would have been able to sign LOIs in previous years with the school of their choice had to look elsewhere. Bama wasn’t able to bring in extra insurance for summer attrition.

Yet Josh’s recent tweets are all about Bama screwing over a couple of recruits. How? Both had grayshirt offers – they still had scholarships waiting at Alabama if they wanted to go there. They both were informed as to the nature of their offer with enough time remaining to secure and accept offers at other schools. And not some Sun Belt or FCS school – other SEC teams. I’m sorry, but I fail to see how they were so screwed over. Let’s review Josh’s own words from one of his articles back in July:

Everyone that visits this site, whether you are pro-oversigning or anti-oversigning, agrees that when it comes to grayshirting there must be an agreement on or before NSD.

Both of these guys he says have been royally screwed by Bama were informed before NSD as to their grayshirt offer. Why has your opinion changed?

http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/07/11/tennessee-have-oversiging-issues/

Why are comments disabled on the new article? It seems like the comment feature seems to go away when OSU is in the middle of an oversigning controversy. Is it because…

OSU oversigned!!!!?!?!?!

I didnt pull the numbers off this site actually. I pulled them from the rivals database and even if what you say is true with South Carolina’s attrition, the numbers still dont add up. Why does South Carolina have higher attrition than Nebraska? i would say the answer is fairly simple, oversigning and the numbers they have to give. They signed 20 more players/people/humans than Nebraska did over the same period with one coach while Nebraska had 2 coaches respectively. Most people on this site have agreed with a coaching change comes higher attrition due to athletes transfering. There are always athletes wanting to transfer because they dont agree with the new coaches philosophies. So, How is it South Carolina has “signed” 20 more players over the same period of time than Nebraska? You site attrition as the fact but what you fail to realize is ALL teams have normal attrition but you argue South Carolina has higher than other teams. Why is this? Oversigning!

Brah, no need to apologize or let that fall on deaf ears!

1. The numbers you quote (from this site) are inflated. They double-count players who are offered in one class, go juco or prep, and then are offered again in a later class. I did not take the time to go through all seven years but I counted at least 6 players that were double-counted this way.

2. Beyond the numbers above, SC has consistently had several players who were “signed” but never enrolled in each signing class. This year, the number was 3. The last 4 years, the number has been around 5. I will look at last year’s class as an example: We “signed” 23 players but only 18 enrolled.

3. Adjusting for the fact that “signings” (your 190 and 25 per year) do not equal the enrolled scholarships (the 85 cap), SC is not at 27 players added per year but more in the range of 22-23 (I will give Nebraska the same benefit of the doubt that your quoted 24 figure contains some of the same errors; however, if not, SC is already under Nebraska’s average “enrollees” (big distinction between signed and enrolled)).

4. Finally SC has had attrition: for academics, drugs, behavior, leaving early for the NFL, medical scholarships and transferring/quitting). The vast majority of these cases are well-documented but of course, you will believe what you want. Regardless, they account for an average of 5-6 per year.

5. All the numbers above have allowed Spurrier to “run-off” players so he can award 23 scholarships to walk-ons. The list you asked for is below (I subtracted Scotty Spurrier’s award as a senior just because it didn’t feel right to count the coach’s son; therefore the 23 and not the 24 I noted earlier). All this info is readily available on several Gamecock websites. I pulled most of my data from the Rivals site: gamecockcentral.com

P.S. I take back my earlier offer. You SHOULD apologize not only to me but now also to Charlie9….brah

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